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[THBatMan8]

Perriwen, on Dec 5 2009, 03:26 PM, said:

Da_KGB, on Dec 5 2009, 03:16 PM, said:

Maybe it's because those are cheaper than getting an FA/18 to chase it. (FA/18s aren't exactly small fuel efficient jets)

More so than the old, gas-guzzling 1950's era T-33.

I do find myself wondering, though, after the F-22 debate, is why is Boeing even wasting time and money building this plane, and the 747-8? What's wrong with the current 757s, 747s, and 767s, and just upgrading them? Seriously, this whole project is just an effort by Boeing to get media attention after getting jealous of the press Airbus got with the A380. They made it clear in needing to 'make sure the press is notified 48 hours in advance.'

The commercial industry is vastly different from the military. The planes are upgraded due to costs of fuel and maintenance, and to compete with other manufacturers. Boeing doesn't make the calls on what to build parse, the airliners that buy the airframes do. If airplane A is more efficient than airplane B, I'm going to buy airplane A.

[Prancer]

Captain-Amar, on Dec 5 2009, 06:21 PM, said:

Well, its fabrication and stuff is already history. But look..I was being sarcastic about the book. But I do think its development with new materials and fuel saving stuff is on its own made history. Anyway w/e. I wanna see it fly.

It's fabrication, as pointed out, has already been used on other aircraft, like the Hondajet and Hawker 4000. Did those make any history?  

[Element94]

Can't wait for the first flight, personally...this plane doesn't belong on the ground any longer.

[Santa]

mohammad, on Dec 5 2009, 08:20 AM, said:

Woohoo! The final countdown...

I believe this song is appropriate. !

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[MattGarner]

Perriwen, on Dec 5 2009, 11:40 PM, said:

Captain-Amar, on Dec 5 2009, 06:21 PM, said:

Well, its fabrication and stuff is already history. But look..I was being sarcastic about the book. But I do think its development with new materials and fuel saving stuff is on its own made history. Anyway w/e. I wanna see it fly.

It's fabrication, as pointed out, has already been used on other aircraft, like the Hondajet and Hawker 4000. Did those make any history?  

That does not mean the 787 will not make any history at all.

[Captain-Amar]

Perriwen, on Dec 5 2009, 11:40 PM, said:

Captain-Amar, on Dec 5 2009, 06:21 PM, said:

Well, its fabrication and stuff is already history. But look..I was being sarcastic about the book. But I do think its development with new materials and fuel saving stuff is on its own made history. Anyway w/e. I wanna see it fly.

It's fabrication, as pointed out, has already been used on other aircraft, like the Hondajet and Hawker 4000. Did those make any history?  

But, because its boeing. With them hyping it... creates a hype ..therefore making history. Ill bet you a beer in the future the books will write about ''revolutionary'' new materials and fabrication like that book did I saw in stores today.

[Prancer]

Captain-Amar, on Dec 5 2009, 08:24 PM, said:

Perriwen, on Dec 5 2009, 11:40 PM, said:

Captain-Amar, on Dec 5 2009, 06:21 PM, said:

Well, its fabrication and stuff is already history. But look..I was being sarcastic about the book. But I do think its development with new materials and fuel saving stuff is on its own made history. Anyway w/e. I wanna see it fly.

It's fabrication, as pointed out, has already been used on other aircraft, like the Hondajet and Hawker 4000. Did those make any history?  

But, because its boeing. With them hyping it... creates a hype ..therefore making history. Ill bet you a beer in the future the books will write about ''revolutionary'' new materials and fabrication like that book did I saw in stores today.

I seriously doubt it. The A320 was one of the first aircraft to use digital fly-by wire systems, and was very hyped by airbus. I don't see that in many history books, except for when the systems went haywire and caused a major air show disaster.

Edited by Perriwen, 05 December 2009 - 07:35 PM.

[Captain-Amar]

Perriwen, on Dec 6 2009, 01:35 AM, said:

Captain-Amar, on Dec 5 2009, 08:24 PM, said:

Perriwen, on Dec 5 2009, 11:40 PM, said:

Captain-Amar, on Dec 5 2009, 06:21 PM, said:

Well, its fabrication and stuff is already history. But look..I was being sarcastic about the book. But I do think its development with new materials and fuel saving stuff is on its own made history. Anyway w/e. I wanna see it fly.

It's fabrication, as pointed out, has already been used on other aircraft, like the Hondajet and Hawker 4000. Did those make any history?  

But, because its boeing. With them hyping it... creates a hype ..therefore making history. Ill bet you a beer in the future the books will write about ''revolutionary'' new materials and fabrication like that book did I saw in stores today.

I seriously doubt it. The A320 was one of the first aircraft to use digital fly-by wire systems, and was very hyped by airbus. I don't see that in many history books, except for when the systems went haywire and caused a major air show disaster.

I misread at first . Maybe so, but I do still reckon the 787 is making history.

Edited by Captain-Amar, 05 December 2009 - 08:11 PM.

[Brandon-M]

MattGarner, on Dec 5 2009, 05:04 PM, said:

[ you don't see DC-3's owned by major airlines that fly around the world etc, such as British Airways, doing flights do you? No.

Well the reason for that is because the needs of the aviation industry have changed. It wouldn't be profitable to fly it since air travel has been greatly made cheaper since the 1950's, being available to everyone rather than just the rich.

Where it still is profitable, its used. Unfortunately, that area of interest is becoming smaller and smaller as the industry grows.

+1 to all of Perriwen's posts too..cant see how you guys don't agree with him.

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NEEDLESS TO SAY

I am still very excited to see this new bird fly for the first time

Edited by Brandon., 05 December 2009 - 08:18 PM.

[THBatMan8]

Brandon., on Dec 5 2009, 08:17 PM, said:

+1 to all of Perriwen's posts too..cant see how you guys don't agree with him.

I just didn't agree with the one I responded to.

[Prancer]

Captain-Amar, on Dec 5 2009, 09:10 PM, said:

Perriwen, on Dec 6 2009, 01:35 AM, said:

Captain-Amar, on Dec 5 2009, 08:24 PM, said:

Perriwen, on Dec 5 2009, 11:40 PM, said:

Captain-Amar, on Dec 5 2009, 06:21 PM, said:

Well, its fabrication and stuff is already history. But look..I was being sarcastic about the book. But I do think its development with new materials and fuel saving stuff is on its own made history. Anyway w/e. I wanna see it fly.

It's fabrication, as pointed out, has already been used on other aircraft, like the Hondajet and Hawker 4000. Did those make any history?  

But, because its boeing. With them hyping it... creates a hype ..therefore making history. Ill bet you a beer in the future the books will write about ''revolutionary'' new materials and fabrication like that book did I saw in stores today.

I seriously doubt it. The A320 was one of the first aircraft to use digital fly-by wire systems, and was very hyped by airbus. I don't see that in many history books, except for when the systems went haywire and caused a major air show disaster.

I misread at first . Maybe so, but I do still reckon the 787 is making history.

Here's another one-what was 'historical' about the 767's first flight?

[THBatMan8]

Perriwen, on Dec 5 2009, 08:40 PM, said:

Here's another one-what was 'historical' about the 767's first flight?

The first wide body twin jet, produced by Boeing. (not sure if that's what you were after)

Edited by THBatMan8, 05 December 2009 - 08:49 PM.

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THBatMan8, on Dec 5 2009, 09:49 PM, said:

Perriwen, on Dec 5 2009, 08:40 PM, said:

Here's another one-what was 'historical' about the 767's first flight?

The first wide body twin jet. (not sure if that's what you were after)

Nope. First aircraft to ever use an FMC. Now, why would the 787 be in the history books and not that?

Edited by Perriwen, 05 December 2009 - 08:50 PM.

[THBatMan8]

Perriwen, on Dec 5 2009, 08:50 PM, said:

THBatMan8, on Dec 5 2009, 09:49 PM, said:

Perriwen, on Dec 5 2009, 08:40 PM, said:

Here's another one-what was 'historical' about the 767's first flight?

The first wide body twin jet. (not sure if that's what you were after)

Nope. First aircraft to ever use an FMC. Now, why would the 787 be in the history books and not that?

Actually I thought that title belonged to the A300.

*EDIT*

Boeing doesn't make the FMC's either.

Edited by THBatMan8, 05 December 2009 - 08:54 PM.

[Prancer]

http://en.wikipedia....gement_Computer

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The modern FMS was introduced on the Boeing 767, though earlier navigation computers did exist.

[THBatMan8]

Perriwen, on Dec 5 2009, 08:53 PM, said:

http://en.wikipedia....gement_Computer

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The modern FMS was introduced on the Boeing 767, though earlier navigation computers did exist.

[Prancer]

By the same token, you can also say this isn't historically significant because other all-composite fuselages have existed before it.  

[THBatMan8]

Perriwen, on Dec 5 2009, 08:58 PM, said:

By the same token, you can also say this isn't historically significant because other all-composite fuselages have existed before it.  

I agree. It's historically significant for Boeing, but not for aviation as a whole.

[Independence76]

Hope it flies on the 14th.  

I plan to fly on an AA 777-200 from ORD-DFW the day before, so it should be an interesting closing to the last day the 777 is the latest widebody jetliner by Boeing that has flown.

Edited by Independence76, 06 December 2009 - 02:55 AM.

[Faucett]

Back to the op - I haven't found any news releases about a 787 test flight, not even on the Boeing site.

*Edit - I did find this - http://seattletimes....1_boeing04.html  

Just nothing official from Boeing yet.

Edited by Faucett, 06 December 2009 - 02:49 PM.