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[Flightsimulatorpilot]

Hugo_Boss, on Jun 22 2007, 04:17 PM, said:

http://newairplane.com/

Check here Fligthsimulatorp...


ok..

First, Boeing come up with the project before Airbus did, so yea, Airbus does look like it copied Boeing

Yes, I've been on that site and I still don't know what new features Flying_Pie1104 is talking about. And, could you tell me how they copied it? In what way?

[h.V]

Read: http://en.wikipedia....iki/Airbus_A350

and:


http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Boeing_787


then compare

[Flightsimulatorpilot]

Look, I've read a lot of articles about both aircrafts. I still don't know what you're talking about. Maybe you could point it out.  

Oh and BTW, don't always trust Wikipedia, especially when one of the things they are comparing isn't finalized and nobody knows the exact details of it.

[3rd Wire]

The tail section of 787 is much more radical looking
I do love the 350's one piece windscreen though

[Flightsimulatorpilot]

X Craft, on Jun 22 2007, 05:13 PM, said:

The tail section of 787 is much more radical looking

Yea, I agree and the winglets are awesome, too!

[SpinStall]

There is absoleutly NO denying that Boeing beats Airbus 1000:1.

Nothing Airbus will ever cook up will ever compete. 707, 717, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777, and now the 787, almost every one of those planes on the list is something special and new, innovative and exciting. Airbus is just focusing on making massive beasts, rather than making it fuel efficient, like the 787 and 747-8. The 787 has about 1,000 miles more range then even the classic 747, and it will save over 20% of the fuel while doing so at Mach .85!

[Prancer]

Jimmay319, on Jun 22 2007, 04:29 PM, said:

Nothing Airbus will ever cook up will ever compete. 707, 717, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777, and now the 787, almost every one of those planes on the list is something special and new, innovative and exciting.

Not really. Most of those planes on the list, at least the earlier ones, all took technology that was developed from bombers like the B-52 and was put on commercial aircraft, and then such as improved upon as the years went by. The original long-range airliners were produced from long-range bombers, thus their technology was borrowed.

Edited by SoaringEagle, 22 June 2007 - 04:34 PM.

[Flightsimulatorpilot]

SoaringEagle, on Jun 22 2007, 05:33 PM, said:

Jimmay319, on Jun 22 2007, 04:29 PM, said:

Nothing Airbus will ever cook up will ever compete. 707, 717, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777, and now the 787, almost every one of those planes on the list is something special and new, innovative and exciting.

Not really. Most of those planes on the list, at least the earlier ones, all took technology that was developed from bombers like the B-52 and was put on commercial aircraft, and then such as improved upon as the years went by. The original long-range airliners were produced from long-range bombers, thus their technology was borrowed.

Exactly! Same thing with the 787, the composite fuselage and that kind of stuff have all been borrowed from Boeing's military planes.

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There is absoleutly NO denying that Boeing beats Airbus 1000:1.

Nothing Airbus will ever cook up will ever compete. 707, 717, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777, and now the 787, almost every one of those planes on the list is something special and new, innovative and exciting. Airbus is just focusing on making massive beasts, rather than making it fuel efficient, like the 787 and 747-8. The 787 has about 1,000 miles more range then even the classic 747, and it will save over 20% of the fuel while doing so at Mach .85!

Well, let's take a look at that. Here are some facts that might interest you:

The A320 is the first subsonic aircraft to have fly-by wire, that was developed in the 80s and is still more advanced than the 737. When it came out, Boeing critisized but later installed it in their 777s.

Boeing had to build the 737 Classic, 737NG, and now the 737-900ER (so that's 3 different variations) to compete with the A32X which hasn't been re-designed yet.

Before Airbus management up, Airbus sold more airplanes per year than Boeing for 5 years in a row.

You think the 748i is 'innovative and exciting' while the CEO of one of the most respectable airlines in the world said it was an 'old design' and it's time to move on with something better. He also said that as long as there's the A380, he will never order it.

The 748i only has one customer.

The 787 is only a year away from EIS and the A350 is 6 years away and has only been for sale for less than a year, so I would hope the 787 has more orders. Compare the sales of the 350 and 787 when the 350 is closer to the EIS.

I see that you're a Boeing fan and that's fine, but don't bash another product simply because it's made by Airbus.

[Tepp]

Another A vs B thread?!?!

Seriously people...how is this going to help?

[Flying_Pie]

Flightsimulatorpilot, on Jun 22 2007, 11:51 AM, said:

Please tell me what new technologies the 787 is introducing?

composite aircraft structure (basically the entire plane is made out of plastic) which lowers the plane's weight by thousands of pounds (787s are larger than the 767 series, but they weigh less), allows for lower cabin altitudes and higher cabin humidity, as well as lower maintenance cost since plastic doesn't corrode. new bleedless engines which are cheaper and lighter, windows that are about 150% larger than the windows in pax aircraft to date, a design that allows an entire plane to be built in THREE DAYS (it takes 11 days for a 737)

787 has other features that it isn't the first to use, but is one of the first to use, including raked winglets, but the above are brand new features that no other plane has today. 748 was named the 8 model because it's a 747 with the above features as well.

[spitfir3]

Jimmay319, on Jun 22 2007, 04:29 PM, said:

There is absoleutly NO denying that Boeing beats Airbus 1000:1.

Nothing Airbus will ever cook up will ever compete. 707, 717, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777, and now the 787, almost every one of those planes on the list is something special and new, innovative and exciting. Airbus is just focusing on making massive beasts, rather than making it fuel efficient, like the 787 and 747-8. The 787 has about 1,000 miles more range then even the classic 747, and it will save over 20% of the fuel while doing so at Mach .85!

I've seen a few half arsed attempts at making subtle attempts at the Boeing pwnzors joo shite but this really takes the piss..

How can you come up with like that? Do you have any remote idea of why airliners buy different types of airliners?

Have even seeing the sales list from the Paris Air Show? 74 billion to boeings 14 billion...  Why do you think Airlines buy A320's compared to 737's??

rant over... sick of these uneducated, arrogant comments

[Flying_Pie]

spitfir3, on Jun 23 2007, 02:08 AM, said:

Have even seeing the sales list from the Paris Air Show? 74 billion to boeings 14 billion...  Why do you think Airlines buy A320's compared to 737's??

because they're cheaper...737s still have more orders than the 320 series though, in fact boeing had to put a stop to them awhile ago so there wouldn't be a chance of them falling behind production schedule.


I agree though, what Jimmay said was completely stupid...he obviously hasn't studied up at all

[Flightsimulatorpilot]

Flying_Pie1104, on Jun 23 2007, 12:17 AM, said:

Flightsimulatorpilot, on Jun 22 2007, 11:51 AM, said:

Please tell me what new technologies the 787 is introducing?

composite aircraft structure (basically the entire plane is made out of plastic) which lowers the plane's weight by thousands of pounds (787s are larger than the 767 series, but they weigh less), allows for lower cabin altitudes and higher cabin humidity, as well as lower maintenance cost since plastic doesn't corrode. new bleedless engines which are cheaper and lighter, windows that are about 150% larger than the windows in pax aircraft to date, a design that allows an entire plane to be built in THREE DAYS (it takes 11 days for a 737)

787 has other features that it isn't the first to use, but is one of the first to use, including raked winglets, but the above are brand new features that no other plane has today. 748 was named the 8 model because it's a 747 with the above features as well.

The composite structure is a first for commercial airplanes but it isn't really new since Boeing used it on their military planes for quite a while and just transfered it onto commercial airplanes. But whatever, I'm sure both airplanes will be good so there really is no point in arguing over it.

Flying_Pie1104, on Jun 23 2007, 01:46 PM, said:

spitfir3, on Jun 23 2007, 02:08 AM, said:

Have even seeing the sales list from the Paris Air Show? 74 billion to boeings 14 billion...  Why do you think Airlines buy A320's compared to 737's??

because they're cheaper...737s still have more orders than the 320 series though, in fact boeing had to put a stop to them awhile ago so there wouldn't be a chance of them falling behind production schedule.


I agree though, what Jimmay said was completely stupid...he obviously hasn't studied up at all

Actually, Boeing and Airbus both offer about the same discounts on thier airplanes, so they're not really that cheap. But, keep thinking whatever you want, I'm not going to argue.

Edited by Flightsimulatorpilot, 23 June 2007 - 06:01 PM.

[Flying_Pie]

Flightsimulatorpilot, on Jun 23 2007, 02:58 PM, said:

Flying_Pie1104, on Jun 23 2007, 01:46 PM, said:

spitfir3, on Jun 23 2007, 02:08 AM, said:

Have even seeing the sales list from the Paris Air Show? 74 billion to boeings 14 billion...  Why do you think Airlines buy A320's compared to 737's??

because they're cheaper...737s still have more orders than the 320 series though, in fact boeing had to put a stop to them awhile ago so there wouldn't be a chance of them falling behind production schedule.


I agree though, what Jimmay said was completely stupid...he obviously hasn't studied up at all

Actually, Boeing and Airbus both offer about the same discounts on thier airplanes, so they're not really that cheap. But, keep thinking whatever you want, I'm not going to argue.

They offer the same discounts, sure, but the base price for a 320 is less than that of a 737. What I'm thinking is what I've read, not guesses, so don't go assuming that I am guessing.

[Tako]

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Boeing has started the final assembly of its Boeing 787 and has scheduled a rollout on July 8, 2007 and the first test flights in September 2007.[4]

Off topic, but are those numbers correct!? If so, then party at my house

[Flightsimulatorpilot]

tako, on Jun 24 2007, 03:25 AM, said:

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Boeing has started the final assembly of its Boeing 787 and has scheduled a rollout on July 8, 2007 and the first test flights in September 2007.[4]

Off topic, but are those numbers correct!? If so, then party at my house

Yes, they are! In fact, it is scheduled to enter the paintshop either Monday or Tuesday so the final assembly will be pretty much done tomorrow; that means we will see the first 787 in only 14 days! Also, the EIS is still as scheduled, May 2008.

Boeing sure picked a nice date for the rollout, 7-8-07!

Edited by Flightsimulatorpilot, 24 June 2007 - 02:54 AM.