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Yeah the fastest socket 939 CPU is the FX-60, and its not for sale anymore.  You can find it on eBay, but for $300 used, you'll benefit much more by just getting a new motherboard and new CPU.

If your case lets you, get a P35 based motherboard (might need a Micro ATX) and a E7200 or E8400 if budget allows.

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davie18, on Sep 25 2008, 06:02 PM, said:

The motherboard is basically what everything plugs into, and they have certain sockets, such as for the latest AMD CPUs you need the AM2 socket, whereas your motherboard only has a 939 socket. So if you wanted to upgrade your cpu (be it AMD or Intel), you would have to buy a new motherboard, too.

That sounds like a hassle.... Doesn't the motherboard contain all the data? If so, that would mean a complete reinstall of Vista and all programs, resetting AA and retweaking everything, and a ton of flashdrives for my addons...?

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The hard drive holds all your data including the operating system.

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Toby Werner, on Sep 25 2008, 06:30 PM, said:

The hard drive holds all your data including the operating system.

lol, That just hit me. So getting a new mobo would not affect any FS addons or such?

Ok, back on topic. My new plan....

Nvidia 9600 GT

600W PSU

A new mobo. (Reading back to memorize and research all suggestions.)

A new CPU.  (Reading back to memorize and research all suggestions.)


And scratch the extra RAM, doubt it will be needed.

Edited by Buizel-411 (RED), 25 September 2008 - 07:21 PM.

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Throw out the 9600GT, and at least opt for a 8800GT or HD4850.  The OCZ GameXStream 600W is a very popular and efficient power supply if you're looking for one.

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Toby Werner, on Sep 25 2008, 07:21 PM, said:

Throw out the 9600GT, and at least opt for a 8800GT or HD4850.  The OCZ GameXStream 600W is a very popular and efficient power supply if you're looking for one.

Whats wrong with the 9600GT? And I would like to keep it Nvidia, so if I did change from that it would be the 8800GT.

[David_Lee_Roth]

OCZ GameXtream isn't as good or cheap as the rosewill, .

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Thanks for helping me on this guys, and providing all this information, I appreciate it!

I think I'll stick with the Rosewill, might downgrade the card to 8800GT, and I have NO IDEA what you mean by P35 based and such... Could someone give me a link with a recomended motherboard/CPU from Newegg? Because I can understand most of the processor speed, graphics cards, PSU's, ect ect, stuff, but this here is completely new to me.....

Edited by Buizel-411 (RED), 25 September 2008 - 07:32 PM.

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Buizel-411 (RED), on Sep 25 2008, 08:25 PM, said:

Toby Werner, on Sep 25 2008, 07:21 PM, said:

Throw out the 9600GT, and at least opt for a 8800GT or HD4850.  The OCZ GameXStream 600W is a very popular and efficient power supply if you're looking for one.

Whats wrong with the 9600GT? And I would like to keep it Nvidia, so if I did change from that it would be the 8800GT.

Think of this:

9600GT 64 Stream Shader Processors
8800GT 112 Stream Shader Processors

Be the judge!

Model numbers don't always count.

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Toshiba, on Sep 25 2008, 07:43 PM, said:

Buizel-411 (RED), on Sep 25 2008, 08:25 PM, said:

Toby Werner, on Sep 25 2008, 07:21 PM, said:

Throw out the 9600GT, and at least opt for a 8800GT or HD4850.  The OCZ GameXStream 600W is a very popular and efficient power supply if you're looking for one.

Whats wrong with the 9600GT? And I would like to keep it Nvidia, so if I did change from that it would be the 8800GT.

Think of this:

9600GT 64 Stream Shader Processors
8800GT 112 Stream Shader Processors

Be the judge!

Model numbers don't always count.

I pick 8800GT.

[Independence76]

AlexD, on Sep 24 2008, 07:47 PM, said:

I've heard great things about the 9600 GT, nothing bad, they're supposed to scale greatly in SLI, too.

I have one, worth every penny.

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Independence76, on Sep 25 2008, 08:47 PM, said:

AlexD, on Sep 24 2008, 07:47 PM, said:

I've heard great things about the 9600 GT, nothing bad, they're supposed to scale greatly in SLI, too.

I have one, worth every penny.

How bout the fact of the cut in Stream processors?

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I think I'll go for the 8800GT (I don't want to take any chance of undershooting...).

So....

8800GT

600W PSU

New CPU.

New mobo.

Well, I really need suggestions for the latter 2.... I can work out the PSU and graphics card later, but for now those are what I'm shooting for.

EDIT: Do you guys thing the 8800 GTS would work out better?

Edited by Buizel-411 (RED), 25 September 2008 - 07:56 PM.

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Motherboard - Gigabyte P45 DS3L, MSI P45 Neo2

CPU E8400, E8600, Q6600. Your Choice.

Those are like the best options. The motherbaord and CPU should fit within $300 GPU and PSU with be around $450.


$450 Total.

Edited by Toshiba, 25 September 2008 - 07:57 PM.

[David_Lee_Roth]

get the 9800 GTX+, kills the 8800 GT .


128 Streams, more ROP's for higher AA.

Get a Q6600 and OC it .

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Here are the components for you.


Gigabyte
Gigabyte EP35-DS3L, Best for the pricep
or
Gigabyte EP45-DS3L, P45 series of the board

Or for MSI:
MSI P45 Neo3-FR
or
MSI P45 Neo2-FR (Somewhat is better than top one IIRC)


CPU:

Intel ofcorse, no other name but Intel.
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3Ghz
or
Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 $150
or for quad:
Core 2 Quad Q6600


EDIT @ AlexD:

I do not agree at all. the 980GTX+ is around sale for $150-180. An 8800GT can be bought at just $100 or lower now. And a Q6600 won't really do much for games like FSX. Maybe crysis but not FSX. Unless clocked at or above 3.6Ghz It will perform better then. But A core 2 Duo at 4ghz means less lag because of a faster processor. A quad is not faster than a Core 2 Duo. Even if the Quad is at 3 doesn't mean it beats the Core 2 Duo at 4. the Quad only helps out with the load. So for example:

Quad: You get 18FPS in FSX with your quad at 3ghz. You set traffic to max and go to a traffic dense area. It drops to 14.
Core: You get 22FPS in FSX with your Core at 4ghz. You set traffic max and go to a traffic dense area. it drops to 10.

That is the difference basically. Who would set unrealistic traffic levels in FSX anyways.

I have an E8400 and I get 25FPS almost constantly. Somtimes it drops to 20. And everything is ultra high. Sometimes in high traffic areas it could drop to as low as 14 with add-on craft. Once out of that area its back.

Edited by Toshiba, 25 September 2008 - 08:10 PM.

[learjet45dream]

Ok.

E7200 or E8400 or something
Either mobo
OCZ GameXStream/StealthXStream 600W (i forget which is cheaper, but they are both wonderful)
8800GT (better than 9600GT) or an HD4850/HD4870


And Alex, I would take the OCZ over that POS Rosewill any day, and the Q6600 is very expensive. I don't think that would be the best option for the budget.

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Thanks for that Toshiba!

And are you sure the 9800 GTX+ will be necesarry, Alex? This is getting alot more expensive than I thought... And the Q6600 is 2.4GHz, and my current CPU is 2.4Ghz... Is that much of an upgrade? (Although I'm sure theres some thing I don't know about PC's that lets the Q6600 win over, and with overclocking...)

So, I am at....

8800 GTX/8800 GT

Rosewill 600W PSU

Q6600 (will try and lean how to OC...)

Processor, I'm now sure which is best...

Thanks for those links Toshiba!

EDIT: I think I'm going with the E8400, its cheaper, but I'm not sure if the 2.4Ghz applies since its a quad core... (says x2 on the end of that, does that mean is has two of those?)

Edited by Buizel-411 (RED), 25 September 2008 - 08:14 PM.

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Look at my example if you want a quad here:

"EDIT @ AlexD:

I do not agree at all. the 980GTX+ is around sale for $150-180. An 8800GT can be bought at just $100 or lower now. And a Q6600 won't really do much for games like FSX. Maybe crysis but not FSX. Unless clocked at or above 3.6Ghz It will perform better then. But A core 2 Duo at 4ghz means less lag because of a faster processor. A quad is not faster than a Core 2 Duo. Even if the Quad is at 3 doesn't mean it beats the Core 2 Duo at 4. the Quad only helps out with the load. So for example:

Quad: You get 18FPS in FSX with your quad at 3ghz. You set traffic to max and go to a traffic dense area. It drops to 14.
Core: You get 22FPS in FSX with your Core at 4ghz. You set traffic max and go to a traffic dense area. it drops to 10.

That is the difference basically. Who would set unrealistic traffic levels in FSX anyways.

I have an E8400 and I get 25FPS almost constantly. Somtimes it drops to 20. And everything is ultra high. Sometimes in high traffic areas it could drop to as low as 14 with add-on craft. Once out of that area its back."

thank You.

My E8400 runs great at 3.7Ghz with no lag on nothing And I'v got an 8800GT so, its cool!

A Quad is for MultiTasking. heavy Multitasking. For example, You are flying in FSX, Writing an Essay, and checking your email at the same time. For everything to go smooth a quad would work for that. You don't need a quad for FSX. Unless you want to run an unrealistic amount of traffic and still get lag.


Either CPU you choose get an Arctic Freezer 7 Pro for your CPU cooler if you plan on overclocking.

It's easy to overclock. Like 4 steps:

1. Download CPU-Z, HWMonitor, Orthos Prime
2. Go Into Bios and up the clock 300 Mhz
3. Orthos test, If not stable raise voltages a little Bit (Notice how I said a little bit. You do not want High voltages because that conducts heat which means a Hotter CPU and a worse OC)
4. Orthos again and if Stable raise another hundread Mhz and do everything all over again till your happy.

Here is 9600GT VS 8800GT go to page 3:

Click me Clicker Click 9600Gt 8800GT

Edited by Toshiba, 25 September 2008 - 08:16 PM.

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Thanks. I'll think about that, and I think I'll go for something 8800.

Here is something I was taking a look, seemed very helpful. http://www.tomshardw...ndx876,795.html