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[VFR_Pierre]

Hello all,

I am planning a flight from Ottawa, Canada, to Perth Australia. I will stop in Galena, Alaska for refueling. Here are the details:

CYOW-PAGA: CYOW1 YOW J500 YYB J513 YSB NCA22 YSF NCA23 ALSAB NCA19 GAL

Aircraft: Boeing 747-400, Cayman Airways.
Estimated Departure: 1200Z, 0700EST.
Estimated Trip Length: 2850NM.
Estimated Cruise Altitude: FL400.
Estimated Duration: 5 hours, 55 minutes.
Fuel on Board: 136,000 pounds, 6 hours, 43 minutes.
ETA: 1755Z, 1255EST.

PAGA-YPPH: GAL J512 ENM G583 MARCC R338 NATES R220 NANAC OTR10 KAGIS A590 MJE A339 CIN W257 NWN Q67 PH H18 PIY STAR

Aircraft: Boeing 747-400, Cayman Airways.
Estimated Departure: 1820Z, 1330EST.
Estimated Trip Length: 7160NM.
Estimated Cruise Altitude: FL340, step to FL360.
Estimated Duration: 14 hours, 45 minutes.
Fuel on Board: 338,00 lb., 15 hours 54 minutes.
ETA: 0909Z, 0409EST. 4 in the morning for me!

What I will do to eat up time:
1. FSW
2. Television
3. X360 w/ Forza 3
4. Drink and eat. No sleep.
5. Talk to FlyCay buddies on TS.

Questions:
1. Will filing one route on VATSIM work? I.E. CYOW-YPPH, with just a refueling stop?
2. Can I refuel the PMDG744 with the engines still on at the gate?
2a. If I can, can I fill out the FMC with the entire route (CYOW-YPPH) and just stop at PAGA on the way? There will be no STARs anyways, I can fly it manually. Would it continue off properly?

Comments, questions, all appreciated. Anything wrong? Tell me.

[TheBigTurkey]

CAY029-Pierre, on Jan 20 2010, 11:58 AM, said:

Hello all,

I am planning a flight from Ottawa, Canada, to Perth Australia. I will stop in Galena, Alaska for refueling. Here are the details:

CYOW-PAGA: CYOW1 YOW J500 YYB J513 YSB NCA22 YSF NCA23 ALSAB NCA19 GAL

Aircraft: Boeing 747-400, Cayman Airways.
Estimated Departure: 1200Z, 0700EST.
Estimated Trip Length: 2850NM.
Estimated Cruise Altitude: FL400.
Estimated Duration: 5 hours, 55 minutes.
Fuel on Board: 136,000 pounds, 6 hours, 43 minutes.
ETA: 1755Z, 1255EST.

PAGA-YPPH: GAL J512 ENM G583 MARCC R338 NATES R220 NANAC OTR10 KAGIS A590 MJE A339 CIN W257 NWN Q67 PH H18 PIY STAR

Aircraft: Boeing 747-400, Cayman Airways.
Estimated Departure: 1820Z, 1330EST.
Estimated Trip Length: 7160NM.
Estimated Cruise Altitude: FL340, step to FL360.
Estimated Duration: 14 hours, 45 minutes.
Fuel on Board: 338,00 lb., 15 hours 54 minutes.
ETA: 0909Z, 0409EST. 4 in the morning for me!

What I will do to eat up time:
1. FSW
2. Television
3. X360 w/ Forza 3
4. Drink and eat. No sleep.
5. Talk to FlyCay buddies on TS.

Questions:
1. Will filing one route on VATSIM work? I.E. CYOW-YPPH, with just a refueling stop?
2. Can I refuel the PMDG744 with the engines still on at the gate?
2a. If I can, can I fill out the FMC with the entire route (CYOW-YPPH) and just stop at PAGA on the way? There will be no STARs anyways, I can fly it manually. Would it continue off properly?

Comments, questions, all appreciated. Anything wrong? Tell me.

1.I would fly two but if you want I believe you can file something along the lines of(PAGE D/1+00) this shows you will be delayed at PAGE airport for an hour.
2. Turn off the engines if you want to be realistic.
3.Ask Batman that one,lol

[VFR_Pierre]

Thanks Riley.

1. I'll try the (PAGA D/0+25) after the GAL waypoint.

2. Yeah, I phrased it wrong. I meant can I have the PMDG running, FSX running, and still refuel? Does the PMDG allow that?

I'll wait for Batman's response, likely to be filled with good info.

[THBatMan8]

1) You'll need to file two separate flight plans if you plan on refueling.

Your first leg should be filed as Ottawa ---> Galena, and the 2nd should be Galena ---> Perth. You can put the Ottawa --- > Galena route in RTE 1, and program the Galena ---> Perth route in RTE 2. When you refuel at Galena, just activate RTE 2.

2) In reality, no. Start the APU shortly after landing and turn off the engines when you arrive at the gate.

2a) See response #1

*EDIT*

Although PHNL (Honolulu) would serve as a better refueling alternate than Galena would.

Edited by THBatMan8, 20 January 2010 - 03:39 PM.

[VFR_Pierre]

Thanks Batman.

I know about the APU on at the gate, but will the PMDG Load Manager work with FSX still running?

Honolulu is nowhere near the route.

[THBatMan8]

No, it won't. You'll need to reload the airplane in the sim for any changes in the load manager to take effect. You could just add fuel via the PMDG dropdown menu and the FMC will configure the CG, TOW, ZFW, and stab trim setting for you.

[VFR_Pierre]

THBatMan8, on Jan 20 2010, 04:14 PM, said:

No, it won't. You'll need to reload the airplane in the sim for any changes in the load manager to take effect. You could just add fuel via the PMDG dropdown menu and the FMC will configure the CG, TOW, ZFW, and stab trim setting for you.

Ah, didn't know you could do that. Thanks.

[VFR_Pierre]

By the way, feel free (anyone) to fly with me on VATSIM. If you can handle it.

2 days!

[simaviator]

I love this, I will join!!!

[THBatMan8]

I might join you on the first leg, not sure about the 2nd leg though.

I will also fly the 744, but I'll be sporting the Angle of Attack colors.  

Edited by THBatMan8, 21 January 2010 - 05:42 AM.

[VFR_Pierre]

Sweet guys!

You sure you want to wake up that early? 7AM eastern is the departure, so I'm going to be at the gate at 6:30.

[THBatMan8]

CAY029-Pierre, on Jan 21 2010, 10:26 AM, said:

Sweet guys!

You sure you want to wake up that early? 7AM eastern is the departure, so I'm going to be at the gate at 6:30.

I'm usually up at that time, even on my days off work so that won't be a issue.

[VFR_Pierre]

THBatMan8, on Jan 21 2010, 05:13 PM, said:

CAY029-Pierre, on Jan 21 2010, 10:26 AM, said:

Sweet guys!

You sure you want to wake up that early? 7AM eastern is the departure, so I'm going to be at the gate at 6:30.

I'm usually up at that time, even on my days off work so that won't be a issue.

Alright, cool! So CYOW tomorrow morning, 3 PMDG 744s, we'll have to select gates. Gates 10, 14, and 16 are available.

I'll get gate 10.
Batman, you can get 14.
Simaviator, if you make it, you can get gate 16.

By the way, I believe if you land somewhere on the route, vataware will continue counting the flight, even with a stop in PAGA.

[VFR_Pierre]

Ottawa forecast: At 6AM, it will be approximately -10*C, 22*F. We are expecting clear to partly cloudy skies for the departure, excellent conditions really. 8MPH of wind from the northeast.

Galena forecast: At noon, it will be approximately -27*C, -16*F. The skies should be completely chilly, and once again, excellent flying conditions will avail. Calm winds, west at 3MPH.

Our arrival into YPPH, Perth, will be around 1700 Western Standard Time, on Saturday. The conditions are supposed to be absolutely beautiful. A warm summer sun, a delightful 33*C, winds expected from the South-East at around 12MPH. Our passengers will enjoy it. I will too. Hope to visit the beach!

[VFR_Pierre]

I don't see you guys.

[THBatMan8]

CAY029-Pierre, on Jan 22 2010, 07:06 AM, said:

I don't see you guys.

That was today???? Thought it was tomorrow for some reason (thought today was Thursday).  

I would but I'm currently in a flight from KORD - PHNL for my VA.

Edited by THBatMan8, 22 January 2010 - 07:12 AM.

[VFR_Pierre]

Hehe, no problem Batman.

http://www.vataware.....cfm?id=4933102

[VFR_Pierre]

After rising, the sun set again to the east. The moon is now rising to the north.

[divemaster08]

I see you have done a lot of choice in your fuel stop destination!

PAGA- 7200ft of runway

Fully loaded 744 to Perth Australia with 7200ft of runway? Your funeral on that departure no?

[roboa]

No winglets again Pierre?   How long have you been flying in that shot?