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[G-BOAC]

Hello Toby,

Just had a read over.  I have work, so will reply in full later when I get home... but you seem to echo what most have said regarding OCZ.  Someone told me there OCZ PSU wiped out there PC after 10 months over at Avsim which has scared me lol.

Do you have any links to a decent Mobo for the Z77 range? as the one I am looking at is £190

Edited by G-BOAC, 27 May 2012 - 04:58 AM.

[_TW_]

http://www.ebuyer.co...tx-ga-z77x-ud3h

or

http://www.ebuyer.co...dio-atx-p8z77-v

And here's a good alternative for a PSU.  You're future system will most likely max out around 450W if everything is at a 100% load (overclocked 2600 or 2700K + GTX 580).  You get the best efficiency scaling when a PSU is loaded around 50-75%.  Therefore I am suggesting you take a look at the Corsair AX 650W PSU.  If you still want to go with the OCZ one in your link, it's also a fantastic, very high quality PSU.

http://www.ebuyer.co...u-cp-9020006-uk

Edited by _TW_, 27 May 2012 - 02:24 PM.

[G-BOAC]

_TW_, on 27 May 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

http://www.ebuyer.co...tx-ga-z77x-ud3h

or

http://www.ebuyer.co...dio-atx-p8z77-v

And here's a good alternative for a PSU.  You're future system will most likely max out around 450W if everything is at a 100% load (overclocked 2600 or 2700K + GTX 580).  You get the best efficiency scaling when a PSU is loaded around 50-75%.  Therefore I am suggesting you take a look at the Corsair AX 650W PSU.  If you still want to go with the OCZ one in your link, it's also a fantastic, very high quality PSU.

http://www.ebuyer.co...u-cp-9020006-uk

Sorry about the late reply, busy working weekend.

I have came up with an inventory of what you recommend. Just a quickie, is that SSD fine?  What would be best setup for Windows 7, FSX??    




FSX and OS on the SSD and everything else on the HDD?  Or would you recommend putting FSX on it's own without everything else?? if that's the case I might invest in a 60GB SSD or something for FSX standalone or that for the OS nearer end of completion of build.

If that's the case, then I won't need to invest in a velociraptor.... as any decent HDD at 7200rpm will do for Pictures, videos and Dreamweaver, photoshop etc

[_TW_]

All depends on how big your FSX folder is or will get.  I don't see any problem with putting the OS and FSX on the same SSD as long as everything fits on it.  Yes the Kingston you have in your list above is a good choice. And yes, any decent 7200RPM drive these days can even outperform the Velociraptors.  I know my Samsung 1TB 7200RPM 32MB Cache drive is faster than some of the earlier model Velociraptor's.

One thing I forgot about - Change the GTX 580 to the GTX 670.  The 670 makes the 580 cry.

http://www.ebuyer.co...x67001042-1042f

OR

http://www.ebuyer.co...-426018336-2555

Edited by _TW_, 28 May 2012 - 11:52 AM.

[G-BOAC]

_TW_, on 28 May 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

All depends on how big your FSX folder is or will get.  I don't see any problem with putting the OS and FSX on the same SSD as long as everything fits on it.  Yes the Kingston you have in your list above is a good choice. And yes, any decent 7200RPM drive these days can even outperform the Velociraptors.  I know my Samsung 1TB 7200RPM 32MB Cache drive is faster than some of the earlier model Velociraptor's.

One thing I forgot about - Change the GTX 580 to the GTX 670.  The 670 makes the 580 cry.

http://www.ebuyer.co...x67001042-1042f

OR

http://www.ebuyer.co...-426018336-2555

It's almost 24GB with some scenery add-ons on another hard drive, but I don't have tons of stuff installed on my FSX.   I suspect if I can run FSX with some decent add-ons I'd need 40-50GB for everything??

Really??  that's madness, but I guess it means I'll have the latest of everything.  Question is lol, will it still be good to run FSX??

Edited by G-BOAC, 28 May 2012 - 12:47 PM.

[_TW_]

I dunno, I don't have THAT many add-ons and I'm close to 30GB's on my FSX folder.   But yes, the GTX 670 outperforms the GTX 580 in every game, so I don't see why it wouldn't in FSX.  Remember FSX is a DX9 game so the difference will not be as huge as in newer game titles, but for the same price, I wouldn't question it one bit.  GTX 670 all the way.

Here's a DX9 game for comparison,
http://www.guru3d.co...x-670-review/13

And a DX11 game for comparison,
http://www.guru3d.co...x-670-review/19

Edited by _TW_, 28 May 2012 - 12:53 PM.

[G-BOAC]

_TW_, on 28 May 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

I dunno, I don't have THAT many add-ons and I'm close to 30GB's on my FSX folder.   But yes, the GTX 670 outperforms the GTX 580 in every game, so I don't see why it wouldn't in FSX.  Remember FSX is a DX9 game so the difference will not be as huge as in newer game titles, but for the same price, I wouldn't question it one bit.  GTX 670 all the way.

Here's a DX9 game for comparison,
http://www.guru3d.co...x-670-review/13

And a DX11 game for comparison,
http://www.guru3d.co...x-670-review/19

I see it's a fairly new Graphics card, does look rather good. Much more powerful than the GTX 580, seen some good stuff on avsim about it giving a 30% performance increase and it's not that far off the 680 card...

So you reckon that over the GTX 580??

Edited by G-BOAC, 29 May 2012 - 09:58 AM.

[Charlatan]

G-BOAC, on 27 May 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

Hello Toby,

Just had a read over.  I have work, so will reply in full later when I get home... but you seem to echo what most have said regarding OCZ.  Someone told me there OCZ PSU wiped out there PC after 10 months over at Avsim which has scared me lol.

Yup that was me    Would recommend either a Corsair or a BeQuiet PSU.

The OCZ took my MSI motherboard with it.  Luckily I got the motherboard replaced as an RMA as I failed to tell the supplier that the board failing was as a result of being fried by the faulty PSU

[G-BOAC]

Annoyingly I still haven't made progress with this, because of changing into a new job, and then having other commitments.


It's still in my plans to build a New PC, and I have enough money to buy outright. BUT I am thinking of building over a month period, using what I just got paid with and what I'll get paid with end of November.  Which allows me to pay bills. I've been looking into the following options. I've heard the i7 2700K handles FSX very very well, a lot better than the 2500 and 2600K.  It's most certainly future proof and will handle a lot more for what I use my PC for than the others.






In terms of Windows, I guess Windows 7 64bit is ideal for FSX and it's add-ons?  I don't want a vacuum cleaner as a PC, and I've heard this PSU is very good. Rather pricey, but hey it's going to last a long time and not run up a very big energy bill.




I've recently seen this new Kingston SSD, for a very decent price for the GB of memory it has.   I'd put FSX and windows together on here.

In terms of Graphics Card, I've heard some really good things about the 680,  but my only concern is what version of the GTX 680 do I go for?  an ASUS or PNY or does any version really matter?



The following are a Hard Drive for storage and the RAM which has a low CL.   A CPU Cooler and a Asus P8Z777-V PRO Z777 Mobo as recommended.   Is this all that I need and would all work well together??





£1390-1450 for this system.

Edited by G-BOAC, 23 October 2012 - 01:17 PM.

[_TW_]

2700K will perform no better than the 2600K or 2500K in FSX, not sure where you got that info from.  They are all pretty much the same identical processors.  Power supply is good but a bit overkill.  As for the 680, just read some reviews about the different models.  ASUS do tend to beef up their cards with stronger components as do some other vendors.  Most important thing would be cooling; stay away from single fan cooling solutions like the stock unit.  Everything else looks good. What about a CPU cooler for overclocking?

[G-BOAC]

_TW_, on 23 October 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

2700K will perform no better than the 2600K or 2500K in FSX, not sure where you got that info from.  They are all pretty much the same identical processors.  Power supply is good but a bit overkill.  As for the 680, just read some reviews about the different models.  ASUS do tend to beef up their cards with stronger components as do some other vendors.  Most important thing would be cooling; stay away from single fan cooling solutions like the stock unit.  Everything else looks good. What about a CPU cooler for overclocking?

I've heard the i7 2700K is very very good for overclocking at lower voltages.  That would be my choice, especially as I do a lot of video editing/rendering sometimes. Photoshop.    I am using this by the way, would going for a 3770k be better than a 2700K, or would I not really notice much difference in overclocking?? the 3770k is actually £2 cheaper than the 2700k.


http://www.jetlinesy...performance.php

Are there any other Gold PSU's about that you'd recommend?  With lower voltage that would suit a i7/GTX 680 machine? every little cost cut helps.


So I guess going for a popular name for the GTX 680 would be ideal?


For CPU Cooler, I was looking at this one?

http://www.ebuyer.co...ock-pro-2-bk017

http://www.bequiet.c...n/cpucooler/309

It's similar to the one you recommended but new?

[G-BOAC]

I have just ordered the following.

• Antec 902 Nine Hundred Two V3 Gaming Case
  
• Intel Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz Socket 1155 8MB Cache
  
• Asus P8Z77-V PRO Z77 Socket 1155 8 Channel HD Audio ATX Motherboard
  
• Crucial 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz Ballistix Tactical Memory Kit CL8 (8-8-8-24) 1.5V
  
• Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium w/SP1
  
• Corsair Professional Series AX750 750W Modular PSU - 80plus Gold Certified

Edited by G-BOAC, 23 October 2012 - 04:55 PM.

[G-BOAC]

G-BOAC, on 23 October 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

I have just ordered the following.

• Antec 902 Nine Hundred Two V3 Gaming Case
  
• Intel Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz Socket 1155 8MB Cache
  
• Asus P8Z77-V PRO Z77 Socket 1155 8 Channel HD Audio ATX Motherboard
  
• Crucial 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz Ballistix Tactical Memory Kit CL8 (8-8-8-24) 1.5V
  
• Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium w/SP1
  
• Corsair Professional Series AX750 750W Modular PSU - 80plus Gold Certified

Didn't let me finish..


I have just ordered the following.

• Antec 902 Nine Hundred Two V3 Gaming Case http://www.ebuyer.co...0761345-15924-1
  
• Intel Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz Socket 1155 8MB Cache http://www.ebuyer.co...-bx80637i73770k
  
• Asus P8Z77-V PRO Z77 Socket 1155 8 Channel HD Audio ATX Motherboard http://www.ebuyer.co...ard-p8z77-v-pro
  
• Crucial 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz Ballistix Tactical Memory Kit CL8 (8-8-8-24) 1.5V  http://www.ebuyer.co...3d1608dt1tx0ceu
  
• Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium w/SP1 http://www.ebuyer.co...dia-1-gfc-02050
  
• Corsair Professional Series AX750 750W Modular PSU - 80plus Gold Certified  http://www.ebuyer.co...d-cmpsu-750axuk

So I took your advice on slightly lower wattage PSU, but have changed the processor slightly based on it being better performance wise for the other things that I need to do. Cost wasn't an issue here.

The second order, which I plan to do end of November 2012 will be.

• Kingston 240GB HyperX 3K SSD http://www.ebuyer.co...3s3-240g-bundle       This will be for Windows 7 and FSX, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Skype, Euroscope, Teamspeak, Microsoft Office and Google Chrome, Adobe Reader X etc... I will try keep this SSD as clean as possible, hence why I will purchase a storage HDD.
  
• WD 2TB Green Desktop Drive http://www.ebuyer.co...p-drive-wd20ear
  
• Be Quiet Dark Rock PRO 2 CPU Cooler (For Overclocking) http://www.ebuyer.co...ock-pro-2-bk017
  
• ASUS GTX 680 DirectCU II 2GB GDDR5 http://www.ebuyer.co...tx680-dc2o-2gd5
  
• StarTech.com USB Easy Transfer Cable for Windows 7 Upgrade http://www.ebuyer.co...direct-usb2link

So hopefully by the time the PMDG 777 and Flight Sim Labs A320 is available, I'll have a very decent gaming computer.

[G-BOAC]

Do you know of any good Optical Drives that include Blu-Ray?? So I can watch the latest HD movies

[G-BOAC]

Also would you put FSX on it's own SSD? Or would running the OS and FSX on the same SSD not really matter?

[SwitchFX]

I can't wait to get my hands on a 3930K.

[_TW_]

G-BOAC, on 24 October 2012 - 05:42 AM, said:

Also would you put FSX on it's own SSD? Or would running the OS and FSX on the same SSD not really matter?

I would keep FSX and the OS on the same SSD.

[SwitchFX]

You could run all that on a 650 watt Corsair PSU.

[G-BOAC]

_TW_, on 26 October 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

I would keep FSX and the OS on the same SSD.

Would that run faster then?? I was thinking of getting two of those SSD's from Kingston and running OS and all my stuff on one SSD. FSX and it's add-ons on the other SSD.

I take it that the loads times would be exceptional anyway, but adding FSX on to it's own SSD would only improve loading times no actual FPS?   I am going to get the two SSDs anyway as I have lots of stuff to transfer over that I use to run my website and my life (lol - Amazing how our lifes can all be utilised via technology)

Another question I have.  As I will likely auto-overclock the i7 3770k (as the motherboard tech) allows that.  I have looked at the cooling, and the following for the same price as the BeQuite Fan has been recommended to me? I've heard that this is slightly better at cooling too.

http://www.ebuyer.co...u-cooler-cwch80


Last but not least, I haven't seen any other decent Blu Ray Drives that I could insert.   This is the one I saw, there was a decent Sony/Samsung one going a few months back but has now gone.

http://www.ebuyer.co...l-bh10ls38-auar

Any recommendations?

SwitchFX, on 26 October 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

You could run all that on a 650 watt Corsair PSU.

Already brought the PSU. 750W Corsair.

http://www.ebuyer.co...d-cmpsu-750axuk



Overall guys how do you think it will RUN FSX??  I've been warned that it won't run FSX straight out the box, as it's such a poor programme that it will need some tweaking to find the sweet spot. But comfortably should be able to run 30-40FPS average.

[SwitchFX]

That PSU will last you a long time. Think I saw some people mention that 650-700s could run dual 580s or 680s. For FSX, you'll still need to make some adjustments, but I think it would run well. You ought to PM that B6D bloke since he knows how to work a system like a woman working a street corner. May I ask why you went with a green HDD? I have a BluRay drive and I really haven't used it much, to be frank with you. Aside from burning tons of files or video finals for people, I haven't used it to watch many films. I think it's a bit overrated for a desktop and $70 or about 44 quid is a lot to pay for a drive that you won't use for a certain feature most of the time.

Edited by SwitchFX, 28 October 2012 - 12:41 AM.