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[Independence76]

Ferry flight, 8 crew on board, 4 confirmed dead. All crew on the cockpit did not survive. CVR and FDR have been sent to the investigation office immediately.

http://www.avherald....=45b4b3cb&opt=0








Video of the accident here. Aircraft comes into view around 0:09 at the right side of the screen.




A letter was sent from Tupolev yesterday regarding a small mirrored overrun of the one above only 9 days ago in Novosibirsk regarding brake malfunctions on the Tu-204 and recommended that all brake shock absorbers be lubricated further than previously recommended. This went into effect 24 hours ago.

Edited by Independence76, 29 December 2012 - 08:00 PM.

[_TW_]

You can actually see the Captain and FO in this pic...
http://www.airliners...-100/2206717/M/

Really unfortunate...RIP to the victims

[flare]

Awful to see that as it happened, must have been terrifying, RIP to all

[Independence76]

Last picture of the aircraft, within 20 seconds of roadway impact. Enthusiasts have already laid out on Google maps that the touchdown point as seen in the photo above was about 2/5+ down the runway length.

[davie18]

Very sad, the video footage of it although it doesn't show a huge amount is still terrifying. RIP to all that died.

[89-LX]

Independence76, on 30 December 2012 - 10:19 PM, said:

Last picture of the aircraft, within 20 seconds of roadway impact. Enthusiasts have already laid out on Google maps that the touchdown point as seen in the photo above was about 2/5+ down the runway length.

2/5th of the runway means nothing. What matters is what was the actual runway length. If its a 12,000 foot runway, I could land 3/4 of the way down and still stop in time. If its a typical 10k runway, touching down at 4000 feet down wold still provide a lot of room to stop if they knew to use full brakes and thrust reversers.

[Iain_]

It was 3000m, meaning 1200m for stopping (4000ft like you said)

[Independence76]

89-LX, on 31 December 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

2/5th of the runway means nothing. What matters is what was the actual runway length. If its a 12,000 foot runway, I could land 3/4 of the way down and still stop in time. If its a typical 10k runway, touching down at 4000 feet down wold still provide a lot of room to stop if they knew to use full brakes and thrust reversers.

I understand 2/5 of runway normally means nothing, but we're talking about winter in Moscow here. The likelihood of contamination on the runway is much higher, especially on seldom-used portions.

The potential of a brake malfunction with the Tu-204 is also there, so such a combination would not be a good one.

There were also comparison shots taken on the same day on the same approach. The Tu-204 was much higher (and possibly faster) on the approach, which meant the touchdown point was likely in an area where reversers are normally deployed. With a contaminated runway, the braking distance would become much longer.

Edited by Independence76, 31 December 2012 - 06:18 PM.

[Aharon]

I read news about this and got conflicting statements.  Newspapers and magazines blamed on this plane's defective braking system citing examples of many warnings from aircraft manufacturer about the brake problems and sets of new instructions from the company on how to deal with the brake problems YET the Russian government under Putin was quick to blame on pilots for human error.

Aharon