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[Tim.]

Hi guys!

I've just finished typeing up a guide on how to fly SID's and STAR's.

I've uploaded it, and hopefully it will be in the download section shortly.

It use's Adobe Acrobat reader which you can get here.

Hope you like it.

[Tim.]

The link is here...

http://www.fs2004.co...nloads/?dlid=89

[midstarflyer]

correct me if i'm wrong, but shouldn't there be another zero on the minimum flight levels on page 5?  3,500 feet sounds better than 350 feet.

[Tim.]

Nope, well Manchester isn't that high. I'm sure it works of the same principle of flightlevels.

[midstarflyer]

definition of MSA - MINIMUM SECTOR ALTITUDE [ICAO]- The lowest altitude which may be used under emergency conditions which will provide a minimum clearance of 300 m (1,000 feet) above all obstacles located in an area contained within a sector of a circle of 46 km (25 NM) radius centered on a radio aid to navigation.

According to the definition, MSA has to clear ALL obstacles by 300m or 1000 feet for the 25 nautical miles surrounding the radio aid.  Therefore a MSA of 35 can not be 350 feet as that is less than 1,000.  A number in the MSA sector circle has to be multiplied by 100.  35 would be 3,500.

Using your example, a minimum approach altitude from the NE and NW would be 3,500.  A minimum approach from the SE would be 3,100, and an minimum approach from the SW would be 2,600.

[Tim.]

Ah, thanks for correcting me! I will try to change it later on.

[C172pilot]

you also need to know that STAR is Standad Terminal Arrival Route.

and on page 8 you have  Star's (Standard Instrument Departure.) I don't think so! :-p

on page 10 you say the trick is to look past the text? Uhm, I don't know about you, but that text is what tells the pilots what TO DO. Doing a SID/STAR is more than following a path of waypoints, you have restrictions, requirements at points, certain proecdures for certain type of aircraft. different catagory aircraft must fly the same route, just slightly bigger on the same SID, asa a result gets a different name.

I really hope you did your research before making this.

But I must say this is very well done. I learnt a thing or too :-P

[CSHoffie]

Good tut, but I still don't understand which STAR or SID we should pick! I fly the PMDG 737 mostly, but how do I know which STAR to pick on arrival?? ATC won't tell us in FS04 like they do in RL...

[Hurock]

Don't use FS ATC or go on VATSIM....

[CSHoffie]

ExTrA, on Oct 3 2005, 06:31 PM, said:

Don't use FS ATC or go on VATSIM....

Don't use FS ATC? Dang, that'll really cut back on the realistic factor, but then again, I guess FS ATC isn't that realistic in the first place.

Thanks for the tip.

Isn't someone making a new ATC program to overwrite FS's?

Edited by CSHoffie, 03 October 2005 - 11:10 PM.

[andrew_c]

CSHoffie, on Oct 4 2005, 12:07 AM, said:

ExTrA, on Oct 3 2005, 06:31 PM, said:

Don't use FS ATC or go on VATSIM....

Don't use FS ATC? Dang, that'll really cut back on the realistic factor, but then again, I guess FS ATC isn't that realistic in the first place.

Thanks for the tip.

Isn't someone making a new ATC program to overwrite FS's?

Yup, found

HERE

and to be used

HERE


  

[Tim.]

DJ Prem, on Oct 17 2005, 07:16 AM, said:

New updated guide coming soon.

With new added spelling!

[Evan.]

andrew_c, on Oct 14 2005, 02:09 PM, said:

Yup, found

HERE

and to be used

HERE