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[JakeTheGreat]

Aero-Sieg is in need of pilots and administration. Everybody that registers won't be dissapointed....We offer a freindly and realistic enviorment that incorporates a ranking and credit system.....we let you work your way up from a trainee
to a HUB manager.......


Positions:

Pilots-
Pilots work on the Rank system foundhere.
Ranks are determined by your current amount of credit...we operate on a innovative credit system developed by Keith Cauch, the CEO of Aero-Sieg's Eurpoean Division. The Credit System can be found here.

Administration-
We look for only the smartest and most freindly people to be in our administration division.
Current open positions include-
HUB Captians
HUB Vice captians
Regional Division CEO's
Regional Division Vice CEO's
Human Resources Manager
And many more........


Teams-Aero-Sieg is organizing many different teams that Aero-Siegs members can join and run......
Aerobatics team
Testing Team
Suport Team
Advertising Team
Design Team
Fourm managment Team
Training Teams
etc.
At Aero-Sieg we have it all!





Our current Administration-
Keith- Keith is the leader of the European division of Aero-Sieg...Keith resides in Malta and is very freindly......he as well as many people who post on this fourm enjoy flight and have dreams of increasing their knowledge on the marvel of flight.

Jacob- Jacob is the leader of the American Division of Aero-Sieg... Jacob resides in Killeen TX and is very organized...he is consantly desgining airport scenery for personal use or working on the site....he loves the idea of flight and dreams to be a navy pilot one day....

Devin- Devin is the VP of the american division....Devin is a humorous person and loves to cheer people up....he is a very good pilot and is often found practicing his landings in FSX or working on his RC planes....

Mike- Mike is the VP of the European Division of Aero-Sieg....Mike is a freindly guy and just wants to fly......he is constantly trying to find time to play FSX......i don't think i have ever seen the guy when hes not playing FSX...  

Visit our website at - www.Aerosieg.com
If you have any questions or just want to talk about the many features Aero-Sieg has to offer you can contact us at-
aerosieg@gmail.com

Thanks for reading...and remember...

Aero-Sieg "Your connection to the world"

[JakeTheGreat]

Aero-Sieg also incorporates real saftey procedures into every flight....here is an example of an Aero-Sieg A321 saftey card..

And please check for errors...........






This image is copyrighted by Aero-Sieg and cannot be used by any other VA without contacting Aero-Siegs managment first

Edited by Aero-Sieg Rep., 04 November 2007 - 11:55 PM.

[JakeTheGreat]

This is a list of are current flights.......


AS100-Originary Flight
Dallas-Los Angeles
AS102-Return Flight
02:35-Time

AS101-Originary Flight
Dallas-New York
AS103-Return Flight
02:40-Time

AS110-Originary Flight
Detroit-Los Angeles
AS113-Return Flight
03:05-Time

AS111-Originary Flight
Detroit-New York
AS114-Return Flight
01:10-Time

AS112-Originary Flight
Detroit-Keflavik-Frankfurt
AS212-Return Flight
06:00, 03:10 (09:10 total)-Time

AS210-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Amsterdam
AS232-Return Flight
00:45-Time

AS211-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-London
AS233-Return Flight
01:15-Time

AS213-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Manchester
AS234-Return Flight
01:35-Time

AS214-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Glasgow
AS235-Return Flight
01:40-Time

AS215-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Dublin
AS236-Return Flight
01:35-Time

AS216-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Belfast
AS237-Return Flight
01:40-Time

AS217-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Copenhagen
AS238-Return Flight
01:20-Time

AS218-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Stockholm
AS239-Return Flight
01:45-Time

AS219-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-St. Petersburg
AS240-Return Flight
02:40-Time

AS220-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Moscow
AS241-Return Flight
03:05-Time

AS221-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Vienna
AS242-Return Flight
01:10-Time

AS222-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Innsbruck
AS243-Return Flight
00:45-Time

AS223-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Athens
AS244-Return Flight
02:40-Time

AS224-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Larnaca
AS245-Return Flight
03:20-Time

AS225-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Rome
AS246-Return Flight
01:40-Time

AS226-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Naples
AS247-Return Flight
02:15-Time

AS227-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Malta
AS248-Return Flight
02:25-Time

AS228-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Ajaccio
AS249-Return Flight
01:20-Time

AS229-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Milan
AS250-Return Flight
00:45-Time

AS230-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Zurich
AS251-Return Flight
00:40-Time

AS231-Originary Flight
Frankfurt-Palermo
AS252-Return Flight
02:00-Time


Required procedures for flights-
Please find below the list of flights, their codes and their estimated flight duration. Pilots take note that the flight schedule must be respected when flying online as penalties will otherwise be given for delayed flights! However, we recommend the following procedure:

Clear the gate at a maximum of 10 minutes before the scheduled time for the flight. Note that this will not count as part of the logged flight time - Your chronometer should start running immediately upon take-off up to the landing.
Make sure you take-off on time following the required safety procedures during flight. Do not exceed speed limits whenever these are imposed over airspaces. Moreover, do not exceed internationally recognised speed limits dictated for different altitudes (i.e. fly at 250 knots max. below 12,000 feet & above 250 knots above the stated altitude).
You have 10 minutes upon arrival to taxi to the assigned gate. Do not exceed 15 knots at any point during taxi, slowing down or stopping whenever required to do so.

Edited by Aero-Sieg Rep., 05 November 2007 - 12:43 AM.

[JakeTheGreat]

European Operations Map

[WF10]

Aero-Sieg Rep., on Nov 4 2007, 11:55 PM, said:

Aero-Sieg also incorporates real saftey procedures into every flight....here is an example of an Aero-Sieg A321 saftey card..

And please check for errors...........






This image is copyrighted by Aero-Sieg and cannot be used by any other VA without contacting Aero-Siegs managment first

No. I believe that is actually copyright the airline you stole it off... and what are those nice white stripes everywhere??? oh yeah, where you covered up their name/logo... typical. Please don't say things that you cannot back up.

[JakeTheGreat]

I only took the individual pictures from a website that collects saftey cards.....It was originally for a crj-200......i compiled the procedures pictures and contacted the original airline...Lufthansa allwed...me....Call support for yoursefl.........I the found  a diagram of exits on the A321 and flipped it...the pic was alos made by an airline...but one that is not stilll operational.....I then went and found small icons and used the line tool on them and aded a bit more detail......and i beleive my nonprofit orginization is in the line with fair-use....so...buddy....And Btw i added all the text and titles.......I was going to add aero-siegs logo but i looked quite out of place...(even in grayscale)...and as far as the nice lines go...i would like to ty.....I do beleive i messed up in not locating the previous graphics art designer of the other airline...but i looked and found nothing....And i spoke with my uncle who works at harvard law....he said changing the original in a large enough manner can completly create a new product....i compiled many and edited the photos..so i still beleive im within copyright....if you have ay questions contact me on the email listed above in the article otherwise just post here again.

Thank you-
Aero-Sieg Managment

[Pierre.]

Mate, I would love to see the response from Lufthansa to that.

[WF10]

Aero-Sieg Rep., on Nov 5 2007, 08:06 AM, said:

I only took the individual pictures from a website that collects saftey cards.....It was originally for a crj-200......i compiled the procedures pictures and contacted the original airline...Lufthansa allwed...me....Call support for yoursefl.........I the found  a diagram of exits on the A321 and flipped it...the pic was alos made by an airline...but one that is not stilll operational.....I then went and found small icons and used the line tool on them and aded a bit more detail......and i beleive my nonprofit orginization is in the line with fair-use....so...buddy....And Btw i added all the text and titles.......I was going to add aero-siegs logo but i looked quite out of place...(even in grayscale)...and as far as the nice lines go...i would like to ty.....I do beleive i messed up in not locating the previous graphics art designer of the other airline...but i looked and found nothing....And i spoke with my uncle who works at harvard law....he said changing the original in a large enough manner can completly create a new product....i compiled many and edited the photos..so i still beleive im within copyright....if you have ay questions contact me on the email listed above in the article otherwise just post here again.

Thank you-
Aero-Sieg Managment

OK then, please may I see that you have this image under copyright, with permission from the appropriate people! Shouldn't be any trouble!  

[Kreu]

My colleague, Jacob, has obtained permission from Lufthansa to make use of the document in question. He is not currently available but will upload the permission obtained as soon as he is back online. May I state that it is a policy within the airline not to make illegal use of any product, data or information. We are 100% conscious of all international laws and acts that govern the world of data and digital reproduction. Futhermore, if a member is caught breaching any of these regulations, the consequences are far too great to encourage such abuse:

1.) He is reported to legal and concerned authorities and the injured party is contacted and informed of the infringement
2.) The offender faces banishment from the airline
3.) If need be, the offender must produce compensation to the the injured party (we supervise and make sure this is effected) along with a letter of apology to all concerned parties (including Aerosieg).

If the infringement is accidental, a more lenient approach is taken, but the procedures followed are more or less the ones stated above. Although Jacob is a fellow CEO, he is not exempt from this rule as am I. I can assure you all that no copyright laws were infringed as permission has been obtained (AS ALWAYS) and to prove this, Jacob will post the permission within the next 24 hours. I do however apologise for the poor presentation of the document as it was done and posted in a hurry, but a cured version of it is available and will be posted.

If you have any queries, do not hesitate to contact us directly on the e-mail(s) provided. We will gladly help you and clarify any misconceptions.

Regards,
Keith Cauchi
CEO Aerosieg
European Division

[Pierre.]

Good, lets wait for his reply then!

[WF10]

You got the copyrights for the ops map too I assume...  

I look forward to seeing this copyright stuff... sounds good!



EDIT!!!::::SHOCKING NEWS!!!!!           
OMG, you have so bady stolen copyright here!

Listen peeps... click here - this is a simple google image search, for "Europe", The 8th hit... visible here is their image:


I hope that you, Aero-Sieg, have obtained both copyrights from Answers.com, and google.co.uk who hold the copyrights for this image. If you have, then please may I see... if you haven't, that's too far....

Good Luck getting out of this one, and I want some hard core evidence to back this excuse up...  

Edited by WF07, 05 November 2007 - 12:49 PM.

[Calum]

they never mentioned anywhere that the map was copyrighted to them ... they should have mentioned it wasnt theirs , but they didn't mention it was either.

O.k they maybe did and they maybe didn't get copyright , and whether they should admit it or not , its not something that the VA should have their reputation damaged for , I think a few other VA's print images that are not theirs , but all this talk is not good for the VA , the management only did this to try and attract new pilots and staff , if your not interested in either of those positions , then please lets try to leave it alone.

Calum

[Captainmk]

Your site seems to be down at the moment

Edited by Captainmk, 05 November 2007 - 01:22 PM.

[Calum]

I can get the website fine m8 , tis back up for sure ( if it was down ).

Calum

[WF10]

ok, I will calm down, but lets see whether they produce these copyright documents...  

[Pierre.]

Captainmk, on Nov 5 2007, 07:21 PM, said:

Your site seems to be down at the moment

Seems to be up again. don't like it.

[Continental180]

got a few things to say here:

-safety card: it is very clear in the picture that you have stolen it from an airline, without permission whatsoever.....this is not a good thing, and you can get in trouble due to the fact that you have pretty much stolen someone's property...

Website: it is very messy. you have scripting codes showing, and also, that backround scares people away..

my advice: you have a good base for a potental "good" virtual airline. why not close it down, and work extremely hard on it, get the site design good, and maybe even a nice pirep system.

it seems like what you did was wake up one day and say, im gonna make a va. and then you make it that day. it looks like it was made in like a day. not trying to sound rude or negitive, this is constuctive crit., and it is for your benifit.

I wish you the best of luck!!!

[-RAMz-]

At least put the creators name on the freakin' thing! Come on....If your going to steal work, at least put the persons name on there in the like left upperhand corner in 8 size font.

Very shallow...

Edited by **RAMz**, 05 November 2007 - 03:04 PM.

[JakeTheGreat]

Ok I revised the pic...i added the website for Lufthansa and also added PICS Created by: Lufthansa multiple time ......
I did contact Lufthansa's American office today...and they said they would send me an official letter through Fax...Im still waiting( ......  I got the uropean map from wiki meadia....they allow anyone to redistribute and alter their work.......That is the GNU belwo...enjoy : )

(BTW...I had already gotten premission from Lufthansa just over the phone...this time im asking fo a hard copy of the FAX wich i will gladly display when it arrives.....)



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Sincerley -Jacob

i added the nessecary information for this pic as well.........In the bottom corners the can be found...




(*********NOTE IM NOT REFFERING TO THE SAFETY SHEET WHEN I ADDED THE COPYRIGHT INFO.....I WAS REFFERING TO THE EUROPEAN MAP!!!!**********)

But i did get premission from LUFTHANSA

Edited by Aero-Sieg Rep., 05 November 2007 - 07:29 PM.

[Continental180]

Hello,

I want to tell you one thing.. You do not have proof. And also, no matter what you say to lufthansa, they will say know, reason, because they have given there one permission already, which was to tigers flying group..

It is against the law to reproduce pictures with out citing were it came from, and even by you damaging the images is far worse.

Further More, Your really not even allowed to make this a virtual airline. Most airlines do not like having people make virtual airlines out of there real one becuase you know matter what is copyrighting someone elses information and work.

THIS IS COMING FROM THERE TERMS AND CONDITIONS~~~

2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyright, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Lufthansa-website, (as well as the organisation and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code, rest either with Deutsche Lufthansa AG or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

You have not asked them prior to reproducing the image, which i can make clear to them if needed.

I rest my case, and i am correct, know matter what you say, and how much you lie, you will not have written proof. they don't give written consent to anyday people. theses people even meet in really life to get permission.


And FYI, you just made this airline look very bad by doing that..Think about that.

And also, I will make a phone call to Lufthansa this evening just to confirm this situation, and make sure that you are not lieing to over 500+ people.

Edited by FlyBlue Airways, 05 November 2007 - 09:03 PM.