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[iKettles]

learjet45 aka JK, on Apr 13 2008, 02:31 AM, said:

MicroCenter is an american thing.
Why get a P180 when a P182 is only $10 more?
With a build of this quality why skimp with a Freezer 7 Pro. A Tuniq Tower or TRUE and a 120mm fan should be used here.
Why get an 8800GT 1GB when the 8800GTS G92 can be found for less (only $200 USD)? The extra 512MB won't do any good.
Why get a $23 wired keyboard when you can get a decent wireless keyboard and mouse for the same price?
Why the would anyone want an IDE drive for a new build in this day and age?
Why get a 20" when a 22" is only $20 more?
Why the would anyone want notebook speakers for a desktop?
Why get an X48 mobo? X38 and P35 are just fine.

Overall, your build is an epic FAIL!

Did you really have to be so harsh on him?

[Mul.]

iKettles, on Apr 13 2008, 11:58 AM, said:

learjet45 aka JK, on Apr 13 2008, 02:31 AM, said:

MicroCenter is an american thing.
Why get a P180 when a P182 is only $10 more?
With a build of this quality why skimp with a Freezer 7 Pro. A Tuniq Tower or TRUE and a 120mm fan should be used here.
Why get an 8800GT 1GB when the 8800GTS G92 can be found for less (only $200 USD)? The extra 512MB won't do any good.
Why get a $23 wired keyboard when you can get a decent wireless keyboard and mouse for the same price?
Why the would anyone want an IDE drive for a new build in this day and age?
Why get a 20" when a 22" is only $20 more?
Why the would anyone want notebook speakers for a desktop?
Why get an X48 mobo? X38 and P35 are just fine.

Overall, your build is an epic FAIL!

Did you really have to be so harsh on him?

I agree. Other than the speakers and the IDE optical drive, there's nothing wrong with that build as such. Things could've been changed to make it "better value for money" but to be honest, I wouldn't exactly put that spec in the epic fail category. Learjet, don't take your anger out on newer members. It's uncalled for.

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MAN23R, without a doubt it's an impressive rig. What you have to bare in mind is that the extra outlay on some of the top end equipment will result in little to no difference in FSX. Also take into account that future proofing will only last so long with any machine and the extra money spent to make it future proof will last you a few more months, tops. For example, Intel's shifting to a brand new socket at the end of this year. £2,700 just seems a bit crazy when it doesn't have an Operating System or Monitor

If you're up for it, you should almost certainly build it yourself. OcUK's mark up on this system is probably quite high. With a few compromises that'll hardly hurt performance, I reckon we could get it way under £2,000 including OS and Monitor.

Quick question though. Are you looking for something that'll take on FSX fine out of the box or are you happy to overclock and tweak to get a similar result?

[kewlceo]

learjet45 aka JK, on Apr 12 2008, 06:31 PM, said:

Overall, your build is an epic FAIL!

Overall, YOU are an epic FAIL!

[flyhalf]

I say get the £2,700 rig.

[Keiron]

Mobo - Gigabyte or ASUS X38/48 great overclockers with the new 45nm CPU's
CPU- Intel E8400/8500 or Quad Q6600
GPU - Your choice! 8800GTS and GTX's are cheap as chips now.Grab a 9800 GTX if you want an insignificant fps increase.
PSU - Grab a Corsair Modular HX 620W - ace
RAM - 2-4GB PC8500 - Corsair/Crucial/OCZ/GEIL all good makes!
HDD - SATA Samsung spinpoints or the F1's. The Seagates are good to. Specially the 500GB with the 32mb cache
Cooling: Arctice freezer 7 Pro or Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme CPU with a decent fan. 120mm with 1600rpm rating is a popular team up. Make sure you spend a couple of bucks on some Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound paste for that CPU.
Case: Coolermaster, Zalman & Lian Li make good ones.
Peripherals - Well that's like asking somebody to dress you..depends what you feel comfortable with. big/small screen.wireless keyboards etc. The 22" samsung screens are nice though.
HDD  Truthfully both 32 & 64bit XP and Vista are good if you configure each correctly. Its trial and error, each to their own depending on what other programs you use. Personally i'd forget Windows ME...I mean Vista and stick with XP and wait for the earlier released than expected Windows 7...which is apparently arriving early 2009 now.

With the Intel E8400/8500 its an easy and stable 4Ghz and the Quads about 3.6Ghz on air. You could go SLi but MS didn't go down the SLi route for FSX..I know what you're thinking? "Thoughtless mofos".
To even think about spending 2K+ on a machine must mean that you have that kind of money to spend, so whatever happens, treat yourself, get the best of the best if you wish..but just make sure it acutally is. Personally my new build is gonna see me through about £1300+ but I earn good money so i don't care and i'm guessing its the same with you Good luck with the build and post some screenies.

Intel are planning to release their Bloomfield - Nehalem - LGA 1366 shebang, which means a new mobo and CPU. That stuff should start rolling out in the shops Q4 and through early 2009 if all is too schedule.
ATI are in their last few stages with the RV7xx GPU and Nvidia are in progress with their GT200 GPU or whatever they decide to call it. Some people say its gonna be a 55nm die shrink with tweaked memory. Some people says its going to be a whole new architecture. The fact is nobody knows the real deal yet. Obviously you're going to keep an eye out on Tom's hardware because they always bench hardware with FSX. Then you can make your mind if you wish to upgrade to LGA 1366 or another GPU for FSX.

Truthfully both 32 & 64bit XP and Vista are good if you configure each correctly. Its trial and error, each to their own depending on what other programs you use. Multiple HDD's do come in handy if you like more than one.

Edited by Keiron, 13 April 2008 - 07:32 AM.

[Keiron]

..oh and please excuse me for some of my repeats bad grammar in the above post. That's what you get for studying a BA Japanese in an english environment..can't think properly  

[MAN23R]

Mul., on Apr 13 2008, 06:20 AM, said:

iKettles, on Apr 13 2008, 11:58 AM, said:

learjet45 aka JK, on Apr 13 2008, 02:31 AM, said:

MicroCenter is an american thing.
Why get a P180 when a P182 is only $10 more?
With a build of this quality why skimp with a Freezer 7 Pro. A Tuniq Tower or TRUE and a 120mm fan should be used here.
Why get an 8800GT 1GB when the 8800GTS G92 can be found for less (only $200 USD)? The extra 512MB won't do any good.
Why get a $23 wired keyboard when you can get a decent wireless keyboard and mouse for the same price?
Why the would anyone want an IDE drive for a new build in this day and age?
Why get a 20" when a 22" is only $20 more?
Why the would anyone want notebook speakers for a desktop?
Why get an X48 mobo? X38 and P35 are just fine.

Overall, your build is an epic FAIL!

Did you really have to be so harsh on him?

I agree. Other than the speakers and the IDE optical drive, there's nothing wrong with that build as such. Things could've been changed to make it "better value for money" but to be honest, I wouldn't exactly put that spec in the epic fail category. Learjet, don't take your anger out on newer members. It's uncalled for.

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MAN23R, without a doubt it's an impressive rig. What you have to bare in mind is that the extra outlay on some of the top end equipment will result in little to no difference in FSX. Also take into account that future proofing will only last so long with any machine and the extra money spent to make it future proof will last you a few more months, tops. For example, Intel's shifting to a brand new socket at the end of this year. £2,700 just seems a bit crazy when it doesn't have an Operating System or Monitor

If you're up for it, you should almost certainly build it yourself. OcUK's mark up on this system is probably quite high. With a few compromises that'll hardly hurt performance, I reckon we could get it way under £2,000 including OS and Monitor.

Quick question though. Are you looking for something that'll take on FSX fine out of the box or are you happy to overclock and tweak to get a similar result?

hi mul,

cheers for participating in my tread, much appricated!

basically this is what i want, a FSX only computer, the ability to handle all addons PMDG, etc.. (maxish setting etc...)
with 30+FPS, but also i want to to be future proof also...


scot

[Mul.]

Building one for under £1500-2000 should be quite doable then.

[Keiron]

Mul., on Apr 13 2008, 04:25 PM, said:

Building one for under £1500-2000 should be quite doable then.

Oh ya most definatley. I learned that from you. I took your advice though and have waited it out a little, becuase i agree that the E8400 & 8500 is over priced....I really want that E8500 as well lol

[Mul.]

Keiron, on Apr 13 2008, 04:39 PM, said:

Mul., on Apr 13 2008, 04:25 PM, said:

Building one for under £1500-2000 should be quite doable then.

Oh ya most definatley. I learned that from you. I took your advice though and have waited it out a little, becuase i agree that the E8400 & 8500 is over priced....I really want that E8500 as well lol

E8500 will always be overpriced in a relative sense. In terms of retail prices it's meant to be about £40 more expensive than the E8400 for the sake of 166MHz. No sense in that in my opinion.

[MAN23R]

hi guys,

an updated build, what do you think?



Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM (ST3500320AS)  £53.99(£63.44)
Akasa AK-P085FG-BK 850W PowerMax PSU  £73.99(£86.94)
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Fatal1ty Professional Series 7.1 Sound Card - Retail  £78.99(£92.81)
Antec Nine Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case  £64.99(£76.36)
Corsair 4GB DDR2 XMS2 Dominator PC2-8500C5 TwinX (2x2GB) Supplied with Airflow Fan (TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF)  £99.99(£117.49)
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 LGA775 'Yorkfield' 2.83GHz 12MB-cache (1333FSB) Processor - Retail  £329.99(£387.74)
BFG GeForce 8800 GTX OC2 768MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail  £179.99(£211.49)
Asus Striker II Formula nForce 780i (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard  £156.99(£184.46)
Dell Ultrasharp 2408WFP 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Midnight Grey  £389.99(£458.24)

maybe beef up the Graphics?
     Sub Total :  £1,428.91

[Mul.]

That's very good actually. Wouldn't have to do much more to it, if at all. The single 8800GTX should be fine. Alternatively, maybe an X38/X48 board and a single GeForce 9800GX2. Don't forget an operating system too. Also, you'll want a better CPU cooler.

http://www.overclock.......&subcat=821
http://www.overclock.......57&subcat=4

[MAN23R]

cheers mul....

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM (ST3500320AS)  £53.99
Akasa AK-P085FG-BK 850W PowerMax PSU  £73.99
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Fatal1ty Professional Series 7.1 Sound Card - Retail  £78.99
Antec Nine Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case  £64.99
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 64-Bit Edition DVD - OEM - 1Pk (66R-02034)  £99.99
Corsair 4GB DDR2 XMS2 Dominator PC2-8500C5 TwinX (2x2GB) Supplied with Airflow Fan (TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF)  £99.99
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 LGA775 'Yorkfield' 2.83GHz 12MB-cache (1333FSB) Processor - Retail  £329.99
Dell Ultrasharp 2408WFP 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Midnight Grey  £389.99
Asus GeForce 9800 GX2 1024MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI/HDMI (PCI-Express) - Retail  £329.99
Asus P5E3 Premium/Wifi@N Intel X48 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard  £209.99
EK Supreme Acetal (Socket A,754,939,AM2, 478 and LGA 775) CPU Water Block  £30.99


Sub Total :  £1,862.88
Shipping :  £23.73
VAT:  £330.16
Total :  £2,216.77

added the 9800GX2 plus a new mother board plus CPU cooler

[learjet45dream]

That CPU cooler will be worthless. It is for a watercooling setup. Get a Tuniq Tower or similar instead.
http://overclockers....rodid=HS-002-SB
http://overclockers....rodid=HS-001-SB
And some thermal compound as well.
http://overclockers....rodid=AC-000-AC

[Mul.]

Also, the motherboard you've picked is a DDR3 board.

http://www.overclock.......&subcat=946

[Bell417]

Mul., on Apr 13 2008, 07:20 AM, said:

iKettles, on Apr 13 2008, 11:58 AM, said:

learjet45 aka JK, on Apr 13 2008, 02:31 AM, said:

MicroCenter is an american thing.
Why get a P180 when a P182 is only $10 more?
With a build of this quality why skimp with a Freezer 7 Pro. A Tuniq Tower or TRUE and a 120mm fan should be used here.
Why get an 8800GT 1GB when the 8800GTS G92 can be found for less (only $200 USD)? The extra 512MB won't do any good.
Why get a $23 wired keyboard when you can get a decent wireless keyboard and mouse for the same price?
Why the would anyone want an IDE drive for a new build in this day and age?
Why get a 20" when a 22" is only $20 more?
Why the would anyone want notebook speakers for a desktop?
Why get an X48 mobo? X38 and P35 are just fine.

Overall, your build is an epic FAIL!

Did you really have to be so harsh on him?

I agree. Other than the speakers and the IDE optical drive, there's nothing wrong with that build as such. Things could've been changed to make it "better value for money" but to be honest, I wouldn't exactly put that spec in the epic fail category. Learjet, don't take your anger out on newer members. It's uncalled for.

Thanks Mul and iKettles. The reason for the IDE drive was that, I know very little about the other other components, and I know nothing about at all CD/DVD drives. I was going purely on ratings/reviews on Newegg for that. Same deal with the keyboard and mouse. I chose the P180 'cause I like the white case better than the grey, and as far as I know, they are virtually the same case, but I'm probably wrong. As far as the speakers go, I was just trying to keep costs down to prove that he (Man23) could build a decent rig with everything included for less then $1900. Same with the monitor.

Edited by Bell417, 13 April 2008 - 12:25 PM.

[Lemming_]

wow... that is a pricey rig!  When I build my comp this summer, it'll be $800 tops

Oh well, some have the money

[Mark1]

Looks like a nice revised rig there MAN23R, with quite a bit of money saved

[MAN23R]

Mark1, on Apr 13 2008, 02:39 PM, said:

Looks like a nice revised rig there MAN23R, with quite a bit of money saved

exactly, saved me quite a few pounds!!  

[Mul.]

Mul., on Apr 13 2008, 06:02 PM, said:

Also, the motherboard you've picked is a DDR3 board.

http://www.overclock.......&subcat=946

Just to reiterate that issue ^^