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THBatMan8, on Jul 14 2010, 10:31 PM, said:

Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 11:30 PM, said:

THBatMan8, on Jul 14 2010, 10:28 PM, said:

Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 11:26 PM, said:

THBatMan8, on Jul 14 2010, 10:24 PM, said:

Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 11:22 PM, said:

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Illogical how? There isn't a point in continuing a debate if no progress is being made in the discussion. That's not what the purpose is behind this subforum.

According to you, progress would be people agreeing with you. This thread was more or less meant to be people discussing the potential of these kinds of ground breaking concepts, not traditionalists coming in, waving their arms and saying it'll never happen then trying to lock the thread if people didn't buy into their argument.

1st off I'm not a traditionalist. 2nd this thread was originally intended for hydrogen fuel, which really isn't groundbreaking. 3rd I'm looking at this from a realistic prospective. What works for the military won't always work in the commercial industry and that's where our differences lie.

It's realistic to you, a simple truck driver. You do not know what is going through the minds of the world's leading aviation designers, engineers, and executives. Aka, people who actually know more about the subject than you.

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Same can be said for you. I know more about the industry than what most people think.

Did you not even read the article I posted, written by one of the chief analysts for what is a rather respected tech news website?

Yes, I did.

Again, I never said that UAVs weren't impossible, I said they are useless in the industry and therefore will not be successful as there is no demand for them. However, they will be successful and thrive serving in the armed forces.

You apparently missed his last paragraph.

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Airliners already operate largely automatically, particularly when landing in poor weather. As the automation of aviation accelerates, the idea of flying on a pilotless airliner may become fact sooner rather than later.

[Alaska_MD-83]

This is pathetic.

[THBatMan8]

Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 11:33 PM, said:

You apparently missed his last paragraph.

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Airliners already operate largely automatically, particularly when landing in poor weather. As the automation of aviation accelerates, the idea of flying on a pilotless airliner may become fact sooner rather than later.

No I didn't and that's not new news either. It's not going to happen any time soon in the commercial industry. The armed forces however is a different story.

El_Mexicano, on Jul 14 2010, 11:34 PM, said:

This is pathetic.

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+1.....

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THBatMan8, on Jul 14 2010, 10:35 PM, said:

Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 11:33 PM, said:

You apparently missed his last paragraph.

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Airliners already operate largely automatically, particularly when landing in poor weather. As the automation of aviation accelerates, the idea of flying on a pilotless airliner may become fact sooner rather than later.

No I didn't and that's not new news either. It's not going to happen any time soon in the commercial industry. The armed forces however is a different story.

:facepalm:

Well, one of the leading scientific and aviation analysts out there disagrees with you on that.

[THBatMan8]

Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 11:36 PM, said:

THBatMan8, on Jul 14 2010, 10:35 PM, said:

Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 11:33 PM, said:

You apparently missed his last paragraph.

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Airliners already operate largely automatically, particularly when landing in poor weather. As the automation of aviation accelerates, the idea of flying on a pilotless airliner may become fact sooner rather than later.

No I didn't and that's not new news either. It's not going to happen any time soon in the commercial industry. The armed forces however is a different story.

:facepalm:

Well, one of the leading scientific and aviation analysts out there disagrees with you on that.

Just because a leading scientific and aviation analyst disagrees with me means it's going to happen. I'll bet I can find one of said experts that do agree with me.

[Prancer]

THBatMan8, on Jul 14 2010, 10:40 PM, said:

Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 11:36 PM, said:

THBatMan8, on Jul 14 2010, 10:35 PM, said:

Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 11:33 PM, said:

You apparently missed his last paragraph.

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Airliners already operate largely automatically, particularly when landing in poor weather. As the automation of aviation accelerates, the idea of flying on a pilotless airliner may become fact sooner rather than later.

No I didn't and that's not new news either. It's not going to happen any time soon in the commercial industry. The armed forces however is a different story.

:facepalm:

Well, one of the leading scientific and aviation analysts out there disagrees with you on that.

Just because a leading scientific and aviation analyst disagrees with me means it's going to happen. I'll bet I can find one of said experts that do agree with me.

Probably can. Probably can find someone who says the earth is flat, too. But I'd say this guy really knows his stuff.

http://www.linkedin..../chriskjelgaard

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[Alaska_MD-83]

Why can't you agree. You're both arguing similar points anyway.


Here's a compromise: At sometime in the future we will have aircraft that can fly themselves completely without human input. I have a feeling we will see these at some point in the future. Nevertheless we will see a human inside the flightdeck in the event of a failure of some sort so they can take over and fly the plane.

Happy Ultimatum?

And no I haven't read the entire topic because frankly that's useless.

Edited by El_Mexicano, 14 July 2010 - 10:44 PM.

[THBatMan8]

Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 11:41 PM, said:

Probably can. Probably can find someone who says the earth is flat, too. But I'd say this guy really knows his stuff.

My point still stands though. Aviation experts are a dime a dozen and they all have degrees.

El_Mexicano, on Jul 14 2010, 11:43 PM, said:

Why can't you agree. You're both arguing similar points anyway.


Here's a compromise: At sometime in the future we will have aircraft that can fly themselves completely without human input. I have a feeling we will see these at some point in the future. Nevertheless we will see a human inside the flightdeck in the event of a failure of some sort so they can take over and fly the plane.

Happy Ultimatum?

Which is the point I've been trying to argue for the last 5 pages.

[Alaska_MD-83]

What's Tomball boy say?

[Prancer]

El_Mexicano, on Jul 14 2010, 10:43 PM, said:

Why can't you agree. You're both arguing similar points anyway.


Here's a compromise: At sometime in the future we will have aircraft that can fly themselves completely without human input. I have a feeling we will see these at some point in the future. Nevertheless we will see a human inside the flightdeck in the event of a failure of some sort so they can take over and fly the plane.

Happy Ultimatum?

And no I haven't read the entire topic because frankly that's useless.

Actually, yes, because the unmanned airliners of the future probably wouldn't even need a flight deck period. So, it actually is.  

[Alaska_MD-83]

Replace the word "Inside the flightdeck," with "In a Position to take control"

[Prancer]

El_Mexicano, on Jul 14 2010, 10:50 PM, said:

Replace the word "Inside the flightdeck," with "In a Position to take control"

Which goes back to what I said about a small team of engineers on the ground.

[THBatMan8]

Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 11:52 PM, said:

El_Mexicano, on Jul 14 2010, 10:50 PM, said:

Replace the word "Inside the flightdeck," with "In a Position to take control"

Which goes back to what I said about a small team of engineers on the ground.

Which goes back to what I said about bankrupting the airliner.

[Prancer]

THBatMan8, on Jul 14 2010, 10:52 PM, said:

Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 11:52 PM, said:

El_Mexicano, on Jul 14 2010, 10:50 PM, said:

Replace the word "Inside the flightdeck," with "In a Position to take control"

Which goes back to what I said about a small team of engineers on the ground.

Which goes back to what I said about bankrupting the airliner.

So much for agreeing on the compromise, lol.

[Alaska_MD-83]

Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 08:52 PM, said:

El_Mexicano, on Jul 14 2010, 10:50 PM, said:

Replace the word "Inside the flightdeck," with "In a Position to take control"

Which goes back to what I said about a small team of engineers on the ground.

Did you see my word Ultimatum IE: Agreement/Comprimise?

"On the plane in a position to take control in the event of an emergency." Because in the event of multi-system failure that includes Communications, that small team of engineers can't take over.






















Derp this is pointless. I think Ima find a lul picture nad post it on here.

Edited by El_Mexicano, 14 July 2010 - 10:56 PM.

[Prancer]

El_Mexicano, on Jul 14 2010, 10:55 PM, said:

Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 08:52 PM, said:

El_Mexicano, on Jul 14 2010, 10:50 PM, said:

Replace the word "Inside the flightdeck," with "In a Position to take control"

Which goes back to what I said about a small team of engineers on the ground.

Did you see my word Ultimatum IE: Agreement/Comprimise?

"On the plane in a position to take control in the event of an emergency." Because in the event of multi-system failure that includes Communications, that small team of engineers can't take over.

That's not a compromise, that's a fancy way of saying 'shut up and agree with us'.

Which I don't.

[Alaska_MD-83]

[THBatMan8]

Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 11:56 PM, said:

El_Mexicano, on Jul 14 2010, 10:55 PM, said:

Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 08:52 PM, said:

El_Mexicano, on Jul 14 2010, 10:50 PM, said:

Replace the word "Inside the flightdeck," with "In a Position to take control"

Which goes back to what I said about a small team of engineers on the ground.

Did you see my word Ultimatum IE: Agreement/Comprimise?

"On the plane in a position to take control in the event of an emergency." Because in the event of multi-system failure that includes Communications, that small team of engineers can't take over.

That's not a compromise, that's a fancy way of saying 'shut up and agree with us'.

Which I don't.

^

That's what you're side of the argument was doing also (and is why I requested this thread to be locked).

Edited by THBatMan8, 14 July 2010 - 10:59 PM.

[Prancer]

El_Mexicano, on Jul 14 2010, 10:57 PM, said:

Actually, it only stays there for a set period of time.

Now, leave this topic for us futurists to discuss the possibilities of this technology, please.  

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That's what you're side of the argument was doing also (and is why I requested this thread to be locked).

I never said shut up and agree, and again, you're welcome to end this argument by leaving this thread and let those of us with an actual interest in this discuss it.

Edited by Wampa_Stompa, 14 July 2010 - 11:00 PM.

[Alaska_MD-83]

This isn't so much futurism as it is pointless arguing about stuff that you have no control over anyway.

And no, it doesn't go away. EVER.

Edited by El_Mexicano, 14 July 2010 - 11:03 PM.