Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 09:29 PM, said:
In order for UAVs to be successful in the commercial industry there needs to be a high enough demand for them, which right now there is none. It would be pointless to build a commercial UAV if no one will buy it.
Actually, in this economy, I imagine if the airlines had the option to scrap the salary of several hundred pilots in return for a small handful of engineers, they'd be all over it faster than you can say 'obsolete.'
And to all the people saying 'what if something goes wrong', what are you so worried about? The aircraft are mostly fully automated today anyway, and I have yet to hear a story of a major incident that was caused because something went wrong with the computers.
You will never hear of anything going wrong because of the computers because there is a pilot standing by and monitoring the aircraft! are you kidding me, that was by far the worst comment I have ever heard. I know that sounds harsh, I'm not calling you an idiot, but that was not really well thought out, I am very sorry. Incidents will always happen, you can say that you want to get rid of the pilots, but like Dano said, that will never happen, there will always ALWAYS have to be a pilot standing by, either on ground, or in the aircraft (would be much happier in the aircraft
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THBatMan8, on Jul 14 2010, 09:44 PM, said:
Even if there will someday be a fully automated airliner, it would still require a human babysitter in case of a system malfunction, so the human element will never be completely removed.
THANK YOU, its like no one is listening
Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 09:46 PM, said:
The day is not coming
Yes, it is.
Unless you're one of the people who can see in to the future, there's no way you can look at current trends and
not see it's on it's way sooner or later.
I love how sure of yourself you are. Its nuts, I can't believe that you think that if the computers just stopped working on a plane without ANYONE who knew how to fly that thing was on there, than you ARE in denial. We will have to HAVE to HAVE to have a pilot in the aircraft, or around the aircraft JUST IN CASE!!!!
lol, I'm really sorry, but I am getting quite frustrated reading that you think you know that commercial aircraft will be pilot-less soon someday.
Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 09:53 PM, said:
The day is not coming
Yes, it is.
Unless you're one of the people who can see in to the future, there's no way you can look at current trends and
not see it's on it's way sooner or later.
What trends? Are you even reading my posts?
Trend one: The downscaling of crews due to those functions being taken over by the computer. (The navigator and engineer are gone, so the pilots will be next to go.)
Trend two: The spread of popularity in UAVs.
Trend three: Computers growing smarter and in many cases superior to the human brain.
It really sounds like you hate humans, lol. I mean you really trust your life with computers and it really sounds like to me that you have barely any faith in humans. Everything is prone to mistake in life, nothing is perfect and never will be perfect. Computers will never be superior to humans, however yes, they will be better than us in many ways, however, we also have many characteristics that make us much superior to computers. There will always always be pros and cons to everything.
Wampa_Stompa, on Jul 14 2010, 10:28 PM, said:
Once again, we went from saying flying was impossible to walking on the moon in less than 70 years. I think you're either being, as Top Dollar said, short sighted, pessimistic, or just in denial.
I just said we won't see it in our lifetimes. That's all. If that's hard to understand, and that it has to fall under one of those three, then what do I have to say to you? You're being too stubborn to accept someone's concerns and ram "what the future will be" down their throat.
You totally lose the point. From wooden...frames...to the moon..in 70 years...which is less than a lifetime to most people. The advances we're seeing here are no where NEAR as big as those changes were...from a 12 second flight..to a quarter of a million miles and back..in less then a century. It
will be done in our life time unless people like you and BatMan take over the scientific world with all your 'it will never happen' nonsense.
As Kennedy said, we choose to do these things not because they are easy, but because they are
hard
I don't think you're fully understanding the process to achieve this. But going back to the cars being run by computers, I wouldn't be comfortable letting a computer control a $105,000 car.
I think the one not understanding is you.
We have heard all this 'it'll never happen, not in our life time' stuff before.
"They'll never have powered flight in our life time."
"We'll never break the sound barrier in our life time."
"We'll never send a man into space in our life time."
"We'll never walk on the moon in our life time."
"We'll never see mars in our life time."
"We'll never have a super computer that can hold millions of pieces of information and fit into a single room in our life time."
"We'll never see absolute zero in our life time."
"We'll never have a global network that can send information across the world to millions of people in an instant in our life time"
"We'll never have computers able to fit in our pocket that can hold thousands of songs, videos, photos, be able to surf that huge network, and make phone calls as well in our life time."
But you know what?
We
did and we
do
There are A LOT of we'll never see a...that actually ended up happening. But start thinking of the things that We'll never see a...Or we will have... in our lifetime. That actually haven't happened yet. *cough flying cars *cough* remember back in the 80's when they thought that we'll have them in the year 2000...but that hasn't happened yet, and won't for a very very long time, just think about it.
TopDollar, on Jul 14 2010, 10:33 PM, said:
Bet you never thought a computer could take on the roll of a human scientist by forming hypotheses, and testing them by creating its own experiments. Think this is still unrelated? Here, I'll post the link to the video on the mating of ideas again:
http://www.ted.com/t...s_have_sex.html
As I said, a robot will
never replace a pilot and for multiple reasons, but the main one is due to a mechanical defect. Replace the flight crew and you might as well be signing a death warrant to every passenger onboard the airplane when a part breaks.
Completely irrelevant to the article and my post.
The issue is not with computers, but with human psychology. As far as computers go, the numbers speak for themselves. But for some reason it seems impossible to break the irrational trust in another human despite the fact that a computer performs flawlessly 99% of the time.
And the post was irrelevant to the topic and discussion at hand. Computers do run flawlessly
when they run. I wouldn't bet my life on it or expect someone else to when a part breaks or malfunctions.
You didn't watch the video did you..Doubtful you read the article either.
Here's the link again
http://www.ted.com/t...s_have_sex.html
Please get your mind out of the small box it is in at the moment. It doesn't matter what the computer was doing, but the fact that the computer was using analytical skills to make predictions about what something would do. Saying that that is not relevant to a computer operating an aircraft is the same as saying the production of plastic is irrelevant to computer mice.
I think a lot of people are missing everyones point. Thebatman said that they will happen, however there will always have to be a backup. Everything we have in our life has a backup. What happens when we don't back things up, We lose them. Same thing goes with aircraft. If we don't have a backup for the computers, we will lose lives. Thebatman definitely agrees that there will be "pilotless" aircraft, however there will have to always be that human there to back it up.
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