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[nyaviator]

I personally prefer Single Airline VAs, just because to me a Virtual Airline is meant for the pilot to feel like they are really flying for that airline. The Flying Tigers Group makes it sound like that is boring, and that pilots should be able to switch airlines and aircraft as much as they want. I don't know what other people think, but when I fly in flight sim, I try to make it as realistic as possible. And in real life, a Delta Airlines pilot can't fly for US Airways the next day. Please give me your feelings, as I am curious as to what others think about this.  

[SargeJr3]

cperea92, on Dec 11 2004, 08:38 PM, said:

nyaviator, on Dec 11 2004, 10:21 PM, said:

I personally prefer Single Airline VAs, just because to me a Virtual Airline is meant for the pilot to feel like they are really flying for that airline. The Flying Tigers Group makes it sound like that is boring, and that pilots should be able to switch airlines and aircraft as much as they want. I don't know what other people think, but when I fly in flight sim, I try to make it as realistic as possible. And in real life, a Delta Airlines pilot can't fly for US Airways the next day. Please give me your feelings, as I am curious as to what others think about this. 

I wholeheartedly agree.

yup

[madog]

I feel like (no offence intended) that NYAVIATOR has an issue with the Flying Tigers.. I prefer Single Airliner VA's..

[nyaviator]

madog, on Dec 12 2004, 12:40 AM, said:

I feel like (no offence intended) that NYAVIATOR has an issue with the Flying Tigers.. I prefer Single Airliner VA's..

lol, I just find them to be rather abnoxous especially with the whole entrance exam, most VAs are willing to train their pilots. Anyway, I just don't like the concept.

[Wanna-B-A-Pilot]

Yea i prefer sigle VA's make you feel more like a pilot!!



-Daz

[erict]

You guys just don't get it.  Just because FTG is a group of VA's doesn't mean you have to fly for every VA in the group.  It's up to our members. They can choose to fly for one airline & aircraft type out of a single hub.

You guys are entitled to your opinion but in the end it really makes no difference.  As it is we have a very large, diverse & dynamic community.  Whether you like it or not we're going to continue to grow at a faster rate.  If you don't like the FTG you have my profound apologies.   

[Nidhal]

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The Flying Tigers Group makes it sound like that is boring

Isn't it boring that you fly one type of aircrafts for a long time and also limited routes ?

I 100% agree with Eric , I'm a pilot For FTG   and it's very funny that you can fly for various airlines   , and it's up to you . I'm officially flying For Cathay Pacific Virtual wish I signed up for .

Edited by Flying_Tiger, 12 December 2004 - 02:44 PM.

[adriang]

erict, on Dec 12 2004, 02:09 PM, said:

You guys just don't get it.  Just because FTG is a group of VA's doesn't mean you have to fly for every VA in the group.  It's up to our members. They can choose to fly for one airline & aircraft type out of a single hub.

You guys are entitled to your opinion but in the end it really makes no difference.  As it is we have a very large, diverse & dynamic community.  Whether you like it or not we're going to continue to grow at a faster rate.  If you don't like the FTG you have my profound apologies.   

Wow I whole heartedly agree with erict...its a great idea to group up so many other airlines into one large group which enables members to be able to fly so many different routes and aircraft...how boring is it if there is just one VA and 5 types of aircraft to fly on 20 different routes...

But at Flying Tigers you can fly for 21 different VA's and all their allied partners too making it over 1000 different routes and countless number of aircraft types to fly...well I'll leave it at that and you guys decide...Oh did I mention theres over 1000 members for you to meet from different countires  

And Y did you guys decide to pick on FTG? Just cause we're bigger and better? There is another group out there thats doing the same thing but I won't say their name cause theres really no need to  

[Nidhal]

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lol, I just find them to be rather abnoxous especially with the whole entrance exam, most VAs are willing to train their pilots. Anyway, I just don't like the concept.

We just hire the best even that the exam is not that hard or you couldn't...  

And let me add that FTG is a group of the world's MAJOR airlines, that's the new touch, more VAs means more experience  

Edited by Flying_Tiger, 12 December 2004 - 03:29 PM.

[Skybound]

100% a matter of opinion. There are different people looking for different kind of virtual airlines and groups of virtual airlines, and that's why there are so many VA organisations you can choose from.

There will never be a virtual airline that will satisfy every virtual pilot's appetite at once -- and I don't think that'd be a good idea even if it were possible. By specialising in different areas all VAs together make sure that there's something for basically every pilot out there.

Personally I've been having a great time at the FTG since December 2002 in both managerial and line pilot positions, and I'm still one of their more active members.

Cerulean skies to everyone, and fly safely!

Edited by Skybound, 12 December 2004 - 03:46 PM.

[Manic]

i like single's you feel like your part of that airline a bit like real life just you get a few more pounds  

[FlyBoy1988]

Nice to see you Iikka, good to see that we won't be differing about our political veiws in this topic, but rather argueing for our airline.

First off, if your scared off by an entrance exam then you don't deserve to be in virtual aviation and definatly not in real-world flight. Higher-level thinking is about tests, and if you want to succeed in anything whether reallife, a hobby or even a sport, get use to them. In fact I think an exam and various test flights makes the experiance even more realistic.

Second, the various airlines in FTG avialiable to fly makes it very flexable. If you wanted to just fly for one ailrine (like I did for Delta), all you have to do is pick one out of the many and forget the others exist. Or, like many other members, if you want variety, fly several airlines and be as a codeshare pilot would be. I think it's ingenious.

Third and finally, FTG is growing and is very active. The forums are very busy, every day I swear at least 100 posts are placed. At the last airline I was at (Pacific west virtual- a real joke of an "upstanding" VA) the airline was one of the larger and busier single VAs in the hobby, and they still couldnt top what FTG is today. We have a diversity of pilots with intrests going beyond aviation. We have a political forum, screenshots forum, pilots forum, training forum to help new recruits, several bilingual forums, and even more. Our staff is one of the most unorthidox yet hard working group you'll meet, and thats good, because friends, realworld airline CEOs aren't all that pompous either. I've even heard that JetBlues' president works the ramps and ticket desks when he's out of the office,and has even offered to clean aircraft after a flight.

Anyhow, these reasons most definatly defend the integrirty that FTG holds high.

[RacingBoy13]

Firstable why in the world would you put a Poll that you cannot vote on?

Second of all, there isnt any single VA that compares to FTG, we have so many new members every single day, and as you guys can see numbers don't lie. Our forums are pack with over a thousand members registered to it.

We have 1581 active pilots, single VA's barely get 500. FTG Kick ###### and in my opinion is the best out there.

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lol, I just find them to be rather abnoxous especially with the whole entrance exam, most VAs are willing to train their pilots. Anyway, I just don't like the concept.

If you cant pass the exam, you cant fly a plane period, its very simple stuff that every virtual pilot should know.

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Is it just me or is it odd that the Flying Tigers group has no Flying Tigers VA?

Who said FTG was named after Flying Tigers Cargo Airlines?

Edited by RacingBoy13, 12 December 2004 - 04:59 PM.

[erict]

BTW you can read the history about the FTG and where "Flying Tigers" came from:

http://www.cpavirtua.../ATPHistory.asp

[nyaviator]

Flying_Tiger, on Dec 12 2004, 03:33 PM, said:

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The Flying Tigers Group makes it sound like that is boring

Isn't it boring that you fly one type of aircrafts for a long time and also limited routes ?

I 100% agree with Eric , I'm a pilot For FTG   and it's very funny that you can fly for various airlines   , and it's up to you . I'm officially flying For Cathay Pacific Virtual wish I signed up for .

It may be 'boring'... but to me, and it seems many people here, Virtual Airlines attempt to make flying in FS2004 as realistic as possible like you were a real world pilot. Real world pilots fly where they are assigned, fly what they are assigned, and fly for a single airline, even if they think it is 'boring'. To me, that's what really makes it exciting.

[nyaviator]

By the way, I really wasn't intending for this debate to be against the Flying Tigers Group itself, more or less the concept of being able to switch VAs or fly for a single VA. Sorry if I made it sound like I was trying to attack the FTG.  And as far as the entrance exam goes, it would be nice if they would at least put a study guide or basic training (maybe a flight school) for those of us who are new pilots, including me. Please take that as a suggestion, Eric. And again, I have no problem with the FTG or their pilots, I was just curious to see if their members fly for a single VA (maybe in the FTG), or multiple.

[erict]

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It may be 'boring'... but to me, and it seems many people here, Virtual Airlines attempt to make flying in FS2004 as realistic as possible like you were a real world pilot. Real world pilots fly where they are assigned, fly what they are assigned, and fly for a single airline, even if they think it is 'boring'. To me, that's what really makes it exciting.

Well there is 'realistic' and then there is 'delusion'...

We don't claim to be the most realistic and we never will.  I find VA's that do make that claim are pretty silly to begin with.

Edited by erict, 12 December 2004 - 06:06 PM.

[erict]

Here is a post made recently by the CEO of British Airways Virtual about the same subject:

http://forums.avsim....=1632&mode=full

Pretty interesting.