I'm having trouble getting "autoland" to work with the Learjet 45 on FS04. Any tips besides those already explained? Thanks.
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"autoland" Tutorial
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Posted 11 September 2004 - 04:51 PM
I try but i just keep at 2000 ft and overfly the rwy 
any tips?
any tips?
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Posted 11 September 2004 - 05:07 PM
Not this kind of "tutorials" again...
It seems that you have no clue that the default FS stuff can NOT do autoland.
You'll need some third party panel to autoland properly. The default FS autopilot can only fly the approach. It doesn't flare, it doesn't retard the throttles, it doesn't deploy spoilers, it doesn't engage reverse thrust, it doesn't track the runway centreline after touchdown... et cetera.
You can mess around with the default autopilot all you want but you won't get it to fly a Category III ILS autoland for you. With all kinds of hocus pocus magic tricks you might be able to get it to fly the plane onto the runway but that's only a tiny part of a realistic autoland procedure.
Do NOT autoland with the default FS autopilot if you want to fly properly.
It seems that you have no clue that the default FS stuff can NOT do autoland.
You'll need some third party panel to autoland properly. The default FS autopilot can only fly the approach. It doesn't flare, it doesn't retard the throttles, it doesn't deploy spoilers, it doesn't engage reverse thrust, it doesn't track the runway centreline after touchdown... et cetera.
You can mess around with the default autopilot all you want but you won't get it to fly a Category III ILS autoland for you. With all kinds of hocus pocus magic tricks you might be able to get it to fly the plane onto the runway but that's only a tiny part of a realistic autoland procedure.
Do NOT autoland with the default FS autopilot if you want to fly properly.
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Posted 11 September 2004 - 05:46 PM
Uh Flying Tiger, we sorta know that it doesnt flare, that it doesnt deploy spoilers (you're supposed to have them armed before touchdown... they go up themselves), it doesnt turn on the reversers because why would it? It doesnt track the centerline after touchdown? Well you LAND on the centerline with this, and you DISENGAGE it a little before touchdown.. If the autopilot is OFF at touchdown, how will it keep WORKING after touchdown?
The method of "autolanding" in fs9 like this works great for me and others and you don't need to try to ruin it by saying stuff that not only do we already know, but that is sorta stupid
The method of "autolanding" in fs9 like this works great for me and others and you don't need to try to ruin it by saying stuff that not only do we already know, but that is sorta stupid
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Posted 11 September 2004 - 07:38 PM
Dear Crawling Kitty: "It seems that you have no clue" that we're not talking about using default FS stuff to autoland. No one thinks autoland is going to flare for us, turn on reverse thrusters or feed us breakfast. We're just trying to make sense of the poorly-written instructions in the FS04 Learning Center on how to use the autoland feature. Your post contributed nothing to the forum, other than letting everyone know that you're not one on whom we can rely for intelligent instruction or feedback. 
Edited by lbcorp, 11 September 2004 - 07:39 PM.
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Posted 12 September 2004 - 11:22 PM
Good post.... I've been flying since FS5 and had never used the APP button before!
There is always something new to learn...
There is always something new to learn...
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 08:03 AM
Thanks for the tutorial. I missed this before but now that I am trying this method it (the tutorial) comes in handy. 
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Posted 01 October 2004 - 07:02 PM
this walk-thru showed me how to use ILS good job!
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Posted 04 October 2004 - 04:23 PM
Whee! I tried it! It worked great except for this, can you help please????
I used a 777.
A: On takeoff, I pressed Ctrl+Shift+G. It turned on the brakes and the plane slowed down to a stop after going off the edge of the runway I did everything else properly 
B: On landing, it brought the front wheel down just a few seconds too soon and landed nose-first. Why did that happen?
Can you help then please?
-IWBAP
I used a 777.
A: On takeoff, I pressed Ctrl+Shift+G. It turned on the brakes and the plane slowed down to a stop after going off the edge of the runway
I did everything else properly B: On landing, it brought the front wheel down just a few seconds too soon and landed nose-first. Why did that happen?
Can you help then please?
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Posted 26 October 2004 - 12:36 PM
Well, this is not a "true" auto-land, it is merely an "approach hold" you have to retard the throttles and deploy the speedbrakes and the reverse thrusters, you have to manually flare, the PMDG 737 can do a "true" autoland, where the plane does all that I have just mentioned.
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Posted 02 November 2004 - 05:35 PM
That tutorial is just as incorrect. You can mess around with the default autopilot all you want but you won't get it to fly a Category III ILS autoland for you. With all kinds of hocus pocus magic tricks you might be able to get it to fly the plane onto the runway but that's only a tiny part of a realistic autoland procedure.
Get real guys.
Also the takeoff part of this tutorial is ridiculous.
Really, I wonder how much FS and aviation knowledge -- if any -- the guy who wrote this tutorial has.
That kind of rotation in a B747 at MTOW... ROFLMAO "Flaps to around 25"... Oh jesus. Do I even need to mention on modern Airbuses you have flaps position numbers, not degrees? How about aircraft that don't even have a 25-degree flaps position?
Most of that stuff just sucks. Sorry
Get real guys.
Also the takeoff part of this tutorial is ridiculous.
Really, I wonder how much FS and aviation knowledge -- if any -- the guy who wrote this tutorial has.
That kind of rotation in a B747 at MTOW... ROFLMAO "Flaps to around 25"... Oh jesus. Do I even need to mention on modern Airbuses you have flaps position numbers, not degrees? How about aircraft that don't even have a 25-degree flaps position?
Most of that stuff just sucks. Sorry
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Posted 11 November 2004 - 09:23 PM
Why be sorry? if you can do a better tutorial, do it.
and remember that the guy that wrote the tutorial is NOT a pilot, and was merely trying to help out the FS2004 community with a very BASIC autoland tutorial, it wasn't meant to be the be-all and end-all of autoland tutorials it is just a basic guide on how to get the plane on the ground by itself.
It really shtis me when people come on here bagging something that someone else has done in their own time to help others, if you don't have something constructive to say.....DON'T SAY IT!
oh...and if you are the guy in your avatar, you'll be a virgin for the rest of your life.
and remember that the guy that wrote the tutorial is NOT a pilot, and was merely trying to help out the FS2004 community with a very BASIC autoland tutorial, it wasn't meant to be the be-all and end-all of autoland tutorials it is just a basic guide on how to get the plane on the ground by itself.
It really shtis me when people come on here bagging something that someone else has done in their own time to help others, if you don't have something constructive to say.....DON'T SAY IT!
oh...and if you are the guy in your avatar, you'll be a virgin for the rest of your life.
Edited by Heritage, 11 November 2004 - 09:24 PM.
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Posted 11 November 2004 - 09:29 PM
Heritage, on Nov 11 2004, 09:23 PM, said:
Why be sorry? if you can do a better tutorial, do it.
and remember that the guy that wrote the tutorial is NOT a pilot, and was merely trying to help out the FS2004 community with a very BASIC autoland tutorial, it wasn't meant to be the be-all and end-all of autoland tutorials it is just a basic guide on how to get the plane on the ground by itself.
It really shtis me when people come on here bagging something that someone else has done in their own time to help others, if you don't have something constructive to say.....DON'T SAY IT!
oh...and if you are the guy in your avatar, you'll be a virgin for the rest of your life.
and remember that the guy that wrote the tutorial is NOT a pilot, and was merely trying to help out the FS2004 community with a very BASIC autoland tutorial, it wasn't meant to be the be-all and end-all of autoland tutorials it is just a basic guide on how to get the plane on the ground by itself.
It really shtis me when people come on here bagging something that someone else has done in their own time to help others, if you don't have something constructive to say.....DON'T SAY IT!
oh...and if you are the guy in your avatar, you'll be a virgin for the rest of your life.
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Posted 12 November 2004 - 01:04 AM
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Posted 12 November 2004 - 06:29 AM
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Why be sorry? if you can do a better tutorial, do it.
If someone promises to finish it, I'll be glad to hand out the about half of it I've done already with help from a few others.
But speaking of autoland, if I got your point right, I can write you a very good manual for it. Here it is: "You can't autoland in FS without third party add-ons that come with better documentation."
It's better to have nothing than a bunch of misleading information which just doesn't and can't work out.
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Posted 12 November 2004 - 08:11 AM
Flying_Tiger, on Nov 12 2004, 06:29 AM, said:
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Why be sorry? if you can do a better tutorial, do it.
If someone promises to finish it, I'll be glad to hand out the about half of it I've done already with help from a few others.
But speaking of autoland, if I got your point right, I can write you a very good manual for it. Here it is: "You can't autoland in FS without third party add-ons that come with better documentation."
It's better to have nothing than a bunch of misleading information which just doesn't and can't work out.
I realise that it's probably not the 'airline way' but it works, and it's relatively simple to use.
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Posted 13 November 2004 - 03:20 PM
Hockey07, on Sep 11 2004, 05:46 PM, said:
Uh Flying Tiger, we sorta know that it doesnt flare, that it doesnt deploy spoilers (you're supposed to have them armed before touchdown... they go up themselves), it doesnt turn on the reversers because why would it? It doesnt track the centerline after touchdown? Well you LAND on the centerline with this, and you DISENGAGE it a little before touchdown.. If the autopilot is OFF at touchdown, how will it keep WORKING after touchdown?
The method of "autolanding" in fs9 like this works great for me and others and you don't need to try to ruin it by saying stuff that not only do we already know, but that is sorta stupid
The method of "autolanding" in fs9 like this works great for me and others and you don't need to try to ruin it by saying stuff that not only do we already know, but that is sorta stupid
Look, I can explain this to you in much more detail if you really need clarification on what autoland means -- but I hope you do understand my point nevertheless.
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Well you LAND on the centerline with this, and you DISENGAGE it a little before touchdown
Ever thought of gusts in ZERO visibility which is a very potential condition in a Cat IIIc approach?
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If the autopilot is OFF at touchdown, how will it keep WORKING after touchdown?
God ###### good question. You answer that.
Just tell me how the ###### can you steer the aircraft on the runway manually in heavy crosswinds if you can't even SEE the bloody centreline?
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you don't need to try to ruin it by saying stuff that not only do we already know, but that is sorta stupid
Wanna think a bit before saying that one again?
Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh, but I'm sick of people first spreading ###### and then even calling it "sorta stupid" when I make a couple of corrections.
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Thats where you're wrong, I have used the autoland tutorial many many times, and have landed safely. Whilst it may not be the 'true' meaning of autolanding, it gets the job done.
I realise that it's probably not the 'airline way' but it works, and it's relatively simple to use
I realise that it's probably not the 'airline way' but it works, and it's relatively simple to use
Dude, in FS9 planes cannt autoland.. You only use the AP for the approach.. Autoland seems to be getting confused with ILS approaches. Seems like most people have no idea what autoland really is.
I'm not trying to be a smart ar$e by posting this but do you think this tutorial is really named correctly?Actually it's not named correctly. It's a similar hocus pocus trick collection as far as I can see.
There's nothing wrong with its actual contents if someone really wants/needs to fly like that, but the name is misleading.
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Posted 13 November 2004 - 03:46 PM
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You only use the AP for the approach
Hmm....i.e. The default 737 has full CAT III landing system you CAN perform a automatic landing.
Heck I think it was possible in the early CAT II beta on the VC-10's.
A ILS approach is what considered as a CAT II landing stystem where you need you need to Disengage and will only perform the approach as you said.
You seem to think that you can't do a full CAT II landing which is biza cause I have showed people many times how to perform a CAT III landing(providing it has the equipment).
Theres a few other things I could point out but I think you should get my point.
Edited by JohnBAC1-11, 13 November 2004 - 03:59 PM.
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Posted 14 November 2004 - 03:01 PM
I get your point but that's not the Pb-- if some people want to fly that way, I don't mind (nevertheless I could never even imagine flying that way myself). I was just worried that some people might get confused by the terminology discrepancies.
But the Title "Autoland" Tutorial seems to be confusing the ###### out of people.
But the Title "Autoland" Tutorial seems to be confusing the ###### out of people.
Edited by Flying_Tiger, 14 November 2004 - 03:01 PM.
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Posted 14 November 2004 - 03:19 PM
why the ###### would nebody want to do a CATIII ILS Approach. Just fly the ILS your self.
