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162db, on Jul 13 2007, 07:38 PM, said:

Mul., on Jul 13 2007, 02:56 PM, said:

162b said:

In my experience, water cooling is much more quiet than conventional air cooling. I went from an Arctic Freezer Pro (which is a very quiet HSF) to a TT BigWater 745 which has 3 120mm fans (2 of them run at a constant speed and are very quiet and 1 has a fan control for speed) and it is much more quiet with the fan on low of course which still provides adequate cooling. Put the fan on high and it's roughly the same, maybe a bit louder than the Arctic Freezer Pro. The loudest thing in my case is now the fan from the PSU.

With all do respect you are comparing your Big Water 745 with a modest Freezer Pro series cooler. The Big Water 745 with it's 120.2 and 120.1 rad will perform better. Just at the end of the day you are opting to all the hassles of watercooling for performance which best case scenario is slightly better than the best of the best air coolers out there right now. Considering top end air coolers normally come with a single 120mm fan rated at around 40-50CFM (~25dBA) I can't say it's astonishing performance.

I'm not saying the Big Water 745 is a horrendous unit but quite simply it's performance is more like high end air rather than a performance water setup. I don't know about you but personally if I were to go water cooling I'd rather do it properly so you get temperatures significantly lower than air.

Mul

Well said. Keep in mind I never compared it to the best air cooling currently available. I just stated it's good for what it does and I think all beginners with water cooling should look into a 745 so that they may get familiar with water cooling before going with a custom setup. It's a good buy for what it does IMO.

it is said to cool those units down pretty fast!

it's quite clever actually...

when the hardware heats up, the heat is extracted to a copper/metal plate, where on the other side, cool flowing water extracts the heat out of the copper/metal plate, and to the cooling unit. From there the heat is radiated out in the form of an exhaust fan, and from there the heat leaves the property of your computer for you and your family/pets to breathe.

[PiP]

pwn247, on Jul 14 2007, 02:32 AM, said:

it's quite clever actually...

when the hardware heats up, the heat is extracted to a copper/metal plate, where on the other side, cool flowing water extracts the heat out of the copper/metal plate, and to the cooling unit. From there the heat is radiated out in the form of an exhaust fan, and from there the heat leaves the property of your computer for you and your family/pets to breathe.

Thank you for that dramatic description of one of the most simple methods of cooling ever used.

Just a Shame the BigWater doesn't get anywhere close to the performance of a custom loop.

[89-LX]

Final specs:

Intel C2D E6850
GeIL 2GB PC8000
Asus mainboard that supports 1333FSB UNLESS there is something that is cheaper and as good
eVGA 8800 GTS 640MB's PCI-E

Power supply is still unknown. PiP/Mul, will my Antec 500W supply the power needed, or do I need to go up to a 600W? Also, I am stuck between which ram to buy.

-GeIL Ultra 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
Model
Brand GeIL
Series Ultra
Model GX22GB8500PDC
Type 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM
Tech Spec
Capacity 2GB (2 x 1GB)
Speed DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
Cas Latency 5
Timing 5-5-5-15
Voltage 2.4V - 2.5V
Heat Spreader Yes
Features Spec1: PC2-8500 DDR2 1066MHz, CAS 5-5-5-15 (Intel Enhanced Parameter)
Spec2: PC2-9600 DDR2 1200MHz, CAS 4-5-5-10 (AMD Enhanced Parameter)
Motherboard: ASUS AM2 (M2N32-DELUXE SLI)
CPU: AMD FX62 200MHz x 14 over-clocked to 300MHz x 10 @ 1.5v
RAM: 1066+ over-clocked to 1200MHz, CL 4-5-5-10 2T @ 2.5V
Recommend Use High Performance or Gaming Memory
Manufacturer Warranty
Parts Lifetime limited
Labor Lifetime limited


-GeIL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
Model
Brand GeIL
Model GX22GB8000DC
Type 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM
Tech Spec
Capacity 2GB (2 x 1GB)
Speed DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000)
Cas Latency 5
Timing 5-5-5-15
Voltage 1.9V - 2.3V
Heat Spreader Yes
Recommend Use High Performance or Gaming Memory
Manufacturer Warranty
Parts Lifetime limited
Labor Lifetime limited


Which one? Both are $115 and $105 respectivly.

And if anyone is interested, I will be selling my Geil ram and processor

[SwitchFX]

Before I say anything, why do I see mentioning of AMD in there?

[89-LX]

Sgt. Pepper, on Jul 14 2007, 04:50 PM, said:

Before I say anything, why do I see mentioning of AMD in there?

Thats differant configurations that the RAM was tested with on that setup. Its listed for Intel and AMD. The regular price for the 1st RAM (2GB PC8500) is $230, and its on sale for $115. The other is usually $205, on sale for $100.

[Mul.]

I'd get the PC2-8500 simply as they use Micron D9 chips as opposed to Elpida/Spectek chips, which I've found can occasionally be a bit of a pain to work on some boards. The Micron D9's are better overclockers as well if that's of any interest.

It'd be worth looking at G.Skill HZ PC2-6400 Memory as well.

Mul

[89-LX]

Mul., on Jul 14 2007, 05:00 PM, said:

I'd get the PC2-8500 simply as they use Micron D9 chips as opposed to Elpida/Spectek chips, which I've found can occasionally be a bit of a pain to work on some boards. The Micron D9's are better overclockers as well if that's of any interest.

It'd be worth looking at G.Skill HZ PC2-6400 Memory as well.

Mul

GeIL PC2-8500 is cheaper then the G.Skill PC2-6400 by $17.

[SwitchFX]

Kingston and Mushkin are reliable brands as well. OCZ is something great as well as Crucial. I wouldn't look at the Corsair, not many people recommend them anymore. Cheap and good overclockability is really good with the Patriot brand.

[89-LX]

PSU. Will mine work for that setup?

Also, how is this one:

OCZ GameXStream OCZ700GXSSLI ATX12V 700W Power Supply 100 - 240 V - Retail

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817341002

Its $85 shipped. I need to know about that and the memory asap so I can order it tonight.

[PiP]

89-LX, on Jul 15 2007, 12:56 AM, said:

PSU. Will mine work for that setup?

Also, how is this one:

OCZ GameXStream OCZ700GXSSLI ATX12V 700W Power Supply 100 - 240 V - Retail

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817341002

Its $85 shipped. I need to know about that and the memory asap so I can order it tonight.

The Antec SmartPower is enough, and it's a good PSU, Mul has one.

The OCZ GameXtreme is an EXCELLENT PSU. It's actually an FSP unit inside, which means it's good quality, it's also very efficient, I would take advantage of that Rebate offer. Kewlceo has one if you want to ask someone about more details.

[89-LX]

PiP, on Jul 14 2007, 08:01 PM, said:

89-LX, on Jul 15 2007, 12:56 AM, said:

PSU. Will mine work for that setup?

Also, how is this one:

OCZ GameXStream OCZ700GXSSLI ATX12V 700W Power Supply 100 - 240 V - Retail

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817341002

Its $85 shipped. I need to know about that and the memory asap so I can order it tonight.

The Antec SmartPower is enough, and it's a good PSU, Mul has one.

The OCZ GameXtreme is an EXCELLENT PSU. It's actually an FSP unit inside, which means it's good quality, it's also very efficient, I would take advantage of that Rebate offer. Kewlceo has one if you want to ask someone about more details.

A $150 PSU for $85, its sold. How about the memory, should I go PC2-8500 or PC2-8000?

Also, I found Seagate SATAII harddrives, 300GB's, for $60 each. I think I will pick up 2 of those, and use that as my RAID setup. I am still unsure if I want to go RAID, or just use a seperate SATA HD for FS yet. I'm not too fond of having everything on 1 harddrive. I like the idea of FS on its own harddrive for organization. What if I was to run the OS from 1 SATAII HD, then get 2 more smaller ones for FS and run th ose in RAID. Would that improve performance, or does the OS need to operate in RAID also?

Edited by 89-LX, 14 July 2007 - 07:11 PM.

[SwitchFX]

You can pick 3 of them up. 1 for os and low level stuff, 1 for FS9 and FSX (when you do move), 1 for music and other games.

[PiP]

89-LX, on Jul 15 2007, 01:10 AM, said:

PiP, on Jul 14 2007, 08:01 PM, said:

89-LX, on Jul 15 2007, 12:56 AM, said:

PSU. Will mine work for that setup?

Also, how is this one:

OCZ GameXStream OCZ700GXSSLI ATX12V 700W Power Supply 100 - 240 V - Retail

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817341002

Its $85 shipped. I need to know about that and the memory asap so I can order it tonight.

The Antec SmartPower is enough, and it's a good PSU, Mul has one.

The OCZ GameXtreme is an EXCELLENT PSU. It's actually an FSP unit inside, which means it's good quality, it's also very efficient, I would take advantage of that Rebate offer. Kewlceo has one if you want to ask someone about more details.

A $150 PSU for $85, its sold. How about the memory, should I go PC2-8500 or PC2-8000?

Also, I found Seagate SATAII harddrives, 300GB's, for $60 each. I think I will pick up 2 of those, and use that as my RAID setup. I am still unsure if I want to go RAID, or just use a seperate SATA HD for FS yet. I'm not too fond of having everything on 1 harddrive. I like the idea of FS on its own harddrive for organization. What if I was to run the OS from 1 SATAII HD, then get 2 more smaller ones for FS and run th ose in RAID. Would that improve performance, or does the OS need to operate in RAID also?

I - personally - would RAID 0 the 2 300Gb drives and have 2 partitions on the array, C: for the OS and D: for FS.

[89-LX]

PiP, on Jul 14 2007, 08:19 PM, said:

I - personally - would RAID 0 the 2 300Gb drives and have 2 partitions on the array, C: for the OS and D: for FS.

Sounds good to me. I will need to know how to do RAID setup on the drives with a fresh install of windows. I will do the 2 300GB HD's, keeping 75 for FS and the remaining for the OS/other stuff. I will then use 2 other SATA drives for storage and programs that I use on the side such as AIM and AVS.

[PiP]

Which motherboard are you going with?

I can download the instruction manual, then I can help better over MSN.

[89-LX]

PiP, on Jul 14 2007, 08:58 PM, said:

Which motherboard are you going with?

I can download the instruction manual, then I can help better over MSN.

I'll know which MB by tomorrow and I'll let you know. I want to research a few options. I am really leaning toward Asus, but do you have any other recommendations? I want a high quality MB that has a lot of features. I like the cooling setup on the Asus MB's.