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[Flightsimulatorpilot]

SK-1323, on Sep 21 2007, 08:44 PM, said:

Flightsimulatorpilot, on Sep 21 2007, 07:33 PM, said:

The A340-200/300s are underpowered, and they climb very slowly. But, all other models are not, don't know where you got that from.

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I'm sure there are some problems associated with Boeing aircraft that don't affect Airbus' either.

Like, for example, loose parts that could cause a fire (on delivered models, not prototypes).

I find that very strange that it happened only with the 737 in okinawa and not on any other 737 NG's at all they never found the same problems on other NG's so i don't know how you can say that the NG's have "loose parts that could cause a fire" because of one isolated incident is beyond me

Like we discussed earlier. The Boeing aircraft is usually more powerful than their Airbus counterparts, please show prove me wrong if you don't agree

Also the rest of the models are my personal opinion that tmost models of the airbus is underpowered, but the A342/343 is the prime example, also one of the minor reasons why i don't like airbus. They sacrifice power for economics and safety.

They found the loose parts on an ANA NG. And, also, if it was a 'one isolated incident', why did the FAA order all NGs to be inspected?

Boeing 767-300 ER: 63,300 (PW) & 62,100 (GE) lbs. of thrust.
Airbus A330-200: 68,000 - 72,000 lbs. thrust

If they make it underpowered, how in the world is that more safe? The A342/3 are underpowered, everyone knows that, but the other models are not. But, seriously, how are the safer if they're underpowered?

[Flying_Scotsman]

What a sad thread  

[SK-1323]

Mr. Perfect., on Sep 21 2007, 07:33 PM, said:

aviatordom, on Sep 21 2007, 04:30 PM, said:

Boeing all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And i think the A380 is pretty much buggered up. The 787 will be the real success. Look at the amount of problems the A380 had. If you don't rush the 787 and think things through properly then you are on the road to success.

first of all the a380 is not meant to be compared with the 787, its with the 747-8. The 787 will be competing with the a350. Anyways i like the 744 of boeing so much. But the a320 is a beauty and for that guy who said airbus planes cant land well, u need a brain transplant. I don't get it some of u blame that airbus FBW is boring and too automated but look at boeing, they are gonna implement this on their new airliners and its a modern era things are changing. And for that guy who said that he doesnt like airbus at all what happens if u buy a flight and its on an airbus would u miss your flight just because is an airbus? come on get real. I prefer from time to time automated planes but boeing is good too.

In fact, if i saw an airbus standing at the gate and i have been scheduled to take a flight on it, i would in fact not board the aircraft and rather take the bus or get booked to a flight with a Boeing. And that's not a lie I would never set my foot inside an airbus unless i really had to. I would never feel safe inside it, but thats just me

And Flightsimulatorpilot: can you imagine if the A342/343 had an engine failure with the already underpowered 4 engines?

Edited by SK-1323, 21 September 2007 - 08:00 PM.

[Flightsimulatorpilot]

SK-1323, on Sep 21 2007, 08:56 PM, said:

Mr. Perfect., on Sep 21 2007, 07:33 PM, said:

aviatordom, on Sep 21 2007, 04:30 PM, said:

Boeing all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And i think the A380 is pretty much buggered up. The 787 will be the real success. Look at the amount of problems the A380 had. If you don't rush the 787 and think things through properly then you are on the road to success.

first of all the a380 is not meant to be compared with the 787, its with the 747-8. The 787 will be competing with the a350. Anyways i like the 744 of boeing so much. But the a320 is a beauty and for that guy who said airbus planes cant land well, u need a brain transplant. I don't get it some of u blame that airbus FBW is boring and too automated but look at boeing, they are gonna implement this on their new airliners and its a modern era things are changing. And for that guy who said that he doesnt like airbus at all what happens if u buy a flight and its on an airbus would u miss your flight just because is an airbus? come on get real. I prefer from time to time automated planes but boeing is good too.

In fact, if i saw an airbus standing at the gate and i have been scheduled to take a flight on it, i would in fact not board the aircraft and rather take the bus or get booked to a flight with a Boeing. And that's not a lie I would never set my foot inside an airbus unless i really had to. I would never feel safe inside it, but thats just me

Good for you, I hope you enjoy the bus ride. Oh, and BTW, why did you ignore the poins I made above that proved you wrong? I'm out of here...

[SK-1323]

Flightsimulatorpilot, on Sep 21 2007, 07:59 PM, said:

SK-1323, on Sep 21 2007, 08:56 PM, said:

Mr. Perfect., on Sep 21 2007, 07:33 PM, said:

aviatordom, on Sep 21 2007, 04:30 PM, said:

Boeing all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And i think the A380 is pretty much buggered up. The 787 will be the real success. Look at the amount of problems the A380 had. If you don't rush the 787 and think things through properly then you are on the road to success.

first of all the a380 is not meant to be compared with the 787, its with the 747-8. The 787 will be competing with the a350. Anyways i like the 744 of boeing so much. But the a320 is a beauty and for that guy who said airbus planes cant land well, u need a brain transplant. I don't get it some of u blame that airbus FBW is boring and too automated but look at boeing, they are gonna implement this on their new airliners and its a modern era things are changing. And for that guy who said that he doesnt like airbus at all what happens if u buy a flight and its on an airbus would u miss your flight just because is an airbus? come on get real. I prefer from time to time automated planes but boeing is good too.

In fact, if i saw an airbus standing at the gate and i have been scheduled to take a flight on it, i would in fact not board the aircraft and rather take the bus or get booked to a flight with a Boeing. And that's not a lie I would never set my foot inside an airbus unless i really had to. I would never feel safe inside it, but thats just me

Good for you, I hope you enjoy the bus ride. Oh, and BTW, why did you ignore the poins I made above that proved you wrong? I'm out of here...

I have never had to take the bus yet, only had a trustworthy boeing or Fokker50 standing at the gates where i was scheduled to go through And i didn't ignore your points, i edited my post prior to your response. also the A330 was made to compete/replace the 767 of course they would have to improve. also the A330 is a much heavier aircraft than a 767

Have a nice day

Edited by SK-1323, 21 September 2007 - 08:04 PM.

[dolbinau]

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And Flightsimulatorpilot: can you imagine if the A342/343 had an engine failure with the already underpowered 4 engines?

Assuming the A340-200/300 can fly on 2 engines It's probably more unlikely for 2 engines to fail than it would be for 1 engine on other aircraft (which only have two).

Honestly I would feel comfortable flying on any maintained airliner, I can't believe you'd rather take the bus than fly on an Airbus

[SK-1323]

Well, you can belive what you want, Dolbinau, but i'm telling you the truth

I wouldn't feel safe inside an airbus as i feel they have a too much focus on economics that it compromises safety. sure i may be wrong in that statement, but that's how i feel about airbus. They are trying too hard to make the aircraft so effective that they are compromising certain things i don't like. Luckily there have never been an airbus at the other end of the gates i have gone through

[Flightsimulatorpilot]

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And Flightsimulatorpilot: can you imagine if the A342/343 had an engine failure with the already underpowered 4 engines?

Yes, I can - it would still fly! Good night!

[SK-1323]

Flightsimulatorpilot, on Sep 21 2007, 08:12 PM, said:

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And Flightsimulatorpilot: can you imagine if the A342/343 had an engine failure with the already underpowered 4 engines?

Yes, I can - it would still fly! Good night!

Whatever floats your boat. good night

[Manny]

^^

[dolbinau]

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I wouldn't feel safe inside an airbus as i feel they have a too much focus on economics that it compromises safety. sure i may be wrong in that statement, but that's how i feel about airbus.

If it makes you feel any better 0.02% of the Boeing 737 family have been lost in accidents compared to:

                                            0.005% of the Airbus A320 Family.

I don't know if that is a good way to compare accident statistics, but for number built 737s have been lost 4 times more than A320s.

[TEOTWAWKI]

But aren't there thousands of more 737's than A320's?

[SK-1323]

dolbinau, on Sep 21 2007, 08:38 PM, said:

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I wouldn't feel safe inside an airbus as i feel they have a too much focus on economics that it compromises safety. sure i may be wrong in that statement, but that's how i feel about airbus.

If it makes you feel any better 0.02% of the Boeing 737 family have been lost in accidents compared to:

                                            0.005% of the Airbus A320 Family.

I don't know if that is a good way to compare accident statistics, but for number built 737s have been lost 4 times more than A320s.

But then again the 737's have existed since the 1960's and the A320 have existed since the late 80's so i don't really find that to be a fair comparison

[dolbinau]

TEOTWAWKI, on Sep 22 2007, 11:54 AM, said:

But aren't there thousands of more 737's than A320's?

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But then again the 737's have existed since the 1960's and the A320 have existed since the late 80's so i don't really find that to be a fair comparison

The calculation was based on the number delivered though..I didn't just do a straight comparison of 17 losses vs 115 .

Another way to look at it could be:

2.875 737 losses per year since first delivery.

1.118 A320 losses per year since first delivery.

Is this not fair ?

[SK-1323]

You should also know that air safety in the 60's was not at the top, but of course there have been accidents in recent history too, so i may agree that it's a bit fair, but considering that the A320 is a much newer aircraft it certainly have an advantage as air safety have greatly improved since the 60's

[Flying_Pie]

dolbinau, on Sep 21 2007, 08:04 PM, said:

TEOTWAWKI, on Sep 22 2007, 11:54 AM, said:

But aren't there thousands of more 737's than A320's?

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But then again the 737's have existed since the 1960's and the A320 have existed since the late 80's so i don't really find that to be a fair comparison

The calculation was based on the number delivered though..I didn't just do a straight comparison of 17 losses vs 115 .

Another way to look at it could be:

2.875 737 losses per year since first delivery.

1.118 A320 losses per year since first delivery.

Is this not fair ?

I think it's fair to some extent, but the older generations of the 737 were nothing like what the NGs are in comparison to the A320, and with that comparison the 737 has 0.3 losses per year

it can go either way, but if you consider the advances with the 737, they probably even out to be about the same

[3rd Wire]

They both suck...

Lockheed Martin

[learjet45dream]

Either one for me.

[Salem]

IMHO, anyone who dislikes any aircraft that has flown should not be considred an aviation enthausiast, I would ride any airplane wether it was an airbus or boeing, a good ol' prop or a supersonic cruiser.
@SK-1323, your opinion of the airbus is sick, it's as if somebody has brainwashed you into thinking that airbus aircrafts are unsafe and not airworthy which is plain stupid. You're saying that airbus aircrafts 'looks' to you as if they were designed by a caveman, now let's see:
A330 is IMO one of the most sexiest aircrafts that graced the skies, it's a big winner in its category, when it parks at the gate, you are still wondering if you've landed or not. If it wasn't safe and economic then there wouldn't be orders through the roof for it. A318/9, A320/1 are beautiful too, I look to them as I do look to the 737 series, they are the same in my opinion. A342/3 sure do look a bit ugly since they are small but I'd take the A344/5 anydays over a B773 if I had the choice, it's simply IMO the most beautiful long ranger airliner I've ever seen/fly in(along with the 773ER), of course the A346 is stretched which isn't that bad but it's still a winner for its capacity/range. Conclusion: I love both Airbus and Boeing and being in the very near future in control of their cockpits is what I've always dreamt of.

Edited by Salem., 22 September 2007 - 01:51 AM.

[Felix]

I prefer airbus because it feels easier to fly to me.
I still like Boeing aswell.. it's all good