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[spitfir3]

Origim, on Jan 20 2008, 03:49 PM, said:

Those of youbashing on people arriving to environmentalist conferences or whatnot on cars/planes really need to actually THINK.

What are they gonna do, jog across Europe/US/Atlantic to get there?  NO!  They HAVE to use those vehicles, there is NO way around it.  What they can do with those conferences is (1) raise awareness so that people don't jump in a car go to 500 meters to their local convinience store (2) to promote support for environmentally friendly fuels, and all that other stuff.

Those of you saying they are hypocrites for using cars and whatnot need to understand the scales of things.

Yep

and whats the harm in saving energy?

but tbh they should build a 3rd runway (and using the incident as an excuse is poor) 'cause imagine the fuel usage used by a big aircraft holding for 30 mins??

[ThrottleUp]

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What are they gonna do, jog across Europe/US/Atlantic to get there?

Reduce O2 emissions from too much business travel



http://www.washingto..._1/32011-1.html

http://www.eyenetwork.com/climate.asp

[DJ Iceman]

Someone needs to upload or find the following to/on youtube:

The news clips
The clips of the 777
The FS2004 clip or whatever

BBC's video player doesnt like FireFox

[Hazmat]

My good ol' pop informed me of this incident, I switched on CNN and there was a story on politicans . How can they report a Jetblue flight with a nosegear malfunction but not a   777 almost falling short of Heathrow? Besides that I'm glad all got out ok.

[_NW_]

Because it's CNN and American media gets better ratings over a debate between Hillary and Obama than crashes a week old.

[Prancer]

CNN did do some reporting on the crash, but they're not going to have 24/7 news coverage on an airplane making a crash landing about a week ago. Even the Jetblue thing, they moved on after it landed.

The plane hit the ground hard, a couple people got hurt only minorly, the plane is being written off. Get over it.

Edited by SoaringEagle, 21 January 2008 - 08:51 AM.

[jondownie]

Origim, on Jan 20 2008, 03:49 PM, said:

Those of youbashing on people arriving to environmentalist conferences or whatnot on cars/planes really need to actually THINK.

What are they gonna do, jog across Europe/US/Atlantic to get there?  NO!  They HAVE to use those vehicles, there is NO way around it.  What they can do with those conferences is (1) raise awareness so that people don't jump in a car go to 500 meters to their local convinience store (2) to promote support for environmentally friendly fuels, and all that other stuff.

Those of you saying they are hypocrites for using cars and whatnot need to understand the scales of things.

As someone else said: video conferencing.  Plus, there is abig difference between arriving in an economy class new plane and arriving in a stupid 4x4.  TBH environmentalists tend to go over the score.  They bash aviation when, according to objective observers, aviation only contributes around 3.5 to 4% of overall CO2 emissions.  The biggest load comes from...  

COWS.

So why aren't they suggesting destroying cows?  Why is it that car manufacturers get more credit for producing cars that get 5% more miles to the gallon when planes like the A380 and B787 which have seen higher jumps in effiency and a reduction of NOx emissions to ZERO still come in for a big hit.

It's time protesters and politicians stopped all this opportunist nonsense and actually read scientific figures before letting their over-exercised jaws rattle!

[Chief_Bean]

SoaringEagle, on Jan 21 2008, 01:50 PM, said:

The plane hit the ground hard, a couple people got hurt only minorly, the plane is being written off. Get over it.

Meh. I think that it's not really something to 'get over' until the AAIB have figured out just what caused the problem...

[Pattyboy10]

SoaringEagle, on Jan 21 2008, 09:50 AM, said:

CNN did do some reporting on the crash, but they're not going to have 24/7 news coverage on an airplane making a crash landing about a week ago. Even the Jetblue thing, they moved on after it landed.

The plane hit the ground hard, a couple people got hurt only minorly, the plane is being written off. Get over it.

That's now what I worry about, its about the engines not responing to either AT movement or manual throttle movement!

I've been talking with colleage pilots about it yesterday, and they also find it very freaky. The fact is, how can an airliners like the 777 with all its modern avionics and computers, have this error. If it will be linked to computer/avionics faults, we could get some big problems in the aviation industry because of the fact that there is something wrong there .... So somehow I DO hope this was a pilot error...

[Chief_Bean]

Pattyboy10, on Jan 21 2008, 02:27 PM, said:

SoaringEagle, on Jan 21 2008, 09:50 AM, said:

CNN did do some reporting on the crash, but they're not going to have 24/7 news coverage on an airplane making a crash landing about a week ago. Even the Jetblue thing, they moved on after it landed.

The plane hit the ground hard, a couple people got hurt only minorly, the plane is being written off. Get over it.

That's now what I worry about, its about the engines not responing to either AT movement or manual throttle movement!

I've been talking with colleage pilots about it yesterday, and they also find it very freaky. The fact is, how can an airliners like the 777 with all its modern avionics and computers, have this error. If it will be linked to computer/avionics faults, we could get some big problems in the aviation industry because of the fact that there is something wrong there .... So somehow I DO hope this was a pilot error...

It's not neccessarily down to a computer failure...apparently the investigators are looking into the possibility of fuel contamination, mobile phone interference etc.

[Prancer]

Chief_Bean, on Jan 21 2008, 10:25 AM, said:

SoaringEagle, on Jan 21 2008, 01:50 PM, said:

The plane hit the ground hard, a couple people got hurt only minorly, the plane is being written off. Get over it.

Meh. I think that it's not really something to 'get over' until the AAIB have figured out just what caused the problem...

Maybe it's not something to get over if you're investigating it with the AAIB, but if you're not, and I doubt you are investigating with them, worrying about this is absolutly pointless.

[Chief_Bean]

SoaringEagle, on Jan 21 2008, 02:52 PM, said:

Chief_Bean, on Jan 21 2008, 10:25 AM, said:

SoaringEagle, on Jan 21 2008, 01:50 PM, said:

The plane hit the ground hard, a couple people got hurt only minorly, the plane is being written off. Get over it.

Meh. I think that it's not really something to 'get over' until the AAIB have figured out just what caused the problem...

Maybe it's not something to get over if you're investigating it with the AAIB, but if you're not, and I doubt you are investigating with them, worrying about this is absolutly pointless.

Of course I'm not

And neither am I worrying -- just interested

[Humpty Dumpty]

What makes me laugh is all the reports in various UK newspapers by journalists who all of a sudden think they are pilots and know how planes fly.

If I was the average joe and didn't have a clue about aircraft systems I wouldn't notice but its appalling how incorrect some of the articles are.

Makes you wonder how often they misrepresent other news articles!

[Max.]

Humpty Dumpty, on Jan 21 2008, 05:20 PM, said:

What makes me laugh is all the reports in various UK newspapers by journalists who all of a sudden think they are pilots and know how planes fly.

If I was the average joe and didn't have a clue about aircraft systems I wouldn't notice but its appalling how incorrect some of the articles are.

Makes you wonder how often they misrepresent other news articles!

Couldn't agree more, suddenly the whole world is an aviation expert. Whats worse so many people take what the read in the papers as the absolute truth and its just simply not the case.

[Pattyboy10]

Chief_Bean, on Jan 21 2008, 10:31 AM, said:

Pattyboy10, on Jan 21 2008, 02:27 PM, said:

SoaringEagle, on Jan 21 2008, 09:50 AM, said:

CNN did do some reporting on the crash, but they're not going to have 24/7 news coverage on an airplane making a crash landing about a week ago. Even the Jetblue thing, they moved on after it landed.

The plane hit the ground hard, a couple people got hurt only minorly, the plane is being written off. Get over it.

That's now what I worry about, its about the engines not responing to either AT movement or manual throttle movement!

I've been talking with colleage pilots about it yesterday, and they also find it very freaky. The fact is, how can an airliners like the 777 with all its modern avionics and computers, have this error. If it will be linked to computer/avionics faults, we could get some big problems in the aviation industry because of the fact that there is something wrong there .... So somehow I DO hope this was a pilot error...

It's not neccessarily down to a computer failure...apparently the investigators are looking into the possibility of fuel contamination, mobile phone interference etc.

Im not an 777 expert, but I've been having discussions about this at the aiport, with lots of captains, one of which is an Ex SQ 777

Fuel contamination would not be a factor, because at landing they give direct feeds to the engines. So fuel pump right to the engine. Even if it was a fuel error, how because they both didn't response at the same time.

Besides that, both throttles work on different computers, left has its own, and right has its own. That's why lots of people (including me) descibe it as a freak accident.

Because I find it a freak accident, I am very interested on the actual cause, and that's what keeps me interested!

[ThrottleUp]

The outcome of this investigation will be amongst the most eagerly awaited in aviation accidents I think. Most interested will be Boeing, RR & of course currently serving 777 drivers who will no doubt be wondering if the same thing could happen to their machines. But I know I will voice everyone when I say that whatever the cause of those motors not responding - everyone survived

Yay!

[CaptainTim]

One of the Dispatchers at Heathrow who was actually spotting at the time caught some pictures of the plane landing.

http://www.dailymail...in_page_id=1770

From the 1st picture, the RAT doesnt not look like it has been deployed...

[Pattyboy10]

Yah, E135 is his username if I was correct, I like the first pic.

Too bad no one made a video.

[WF10]

yeah you guys are so right. It sickens me how the normal news reporter thinks he knows all there isto know about it, and he feels that he needs to eucate us, when clearly he knows all.

Thanks!

[Pattyboy10]

Hahahahaha !! Had a great laugh with this video.