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[Prancer]

I'm just curious, why is this drawing all the headlines? Does anyone know the British killed their own in the same war? Or that British aircraft attacked their own ships in wars past?

[THBatMan8]

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 27 2010, 11:57 PM, said:

I'm just curious, why is this drawing all the headlines? Does anyone know the British killed their own in the same war? Or that British aircraft attacked their own ships in wars past?

It's called ratings. The general public is against this war in majority and stories like this feed fuel to the fire. The media does this for every war, dating back to Korea.

Edited by THBatMan8, 27 March 2010 - 11:05 PM.

[pyruvate]

THBatMan8, on Mar 28 2010, 09:33 AM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 27 2010, 11:57 PM, said:

I'm just curious, why is this drawing all the headlines? Does anyone know the British killed their own in the same war? Or that British aircraft attacked their own ships in wars past?

It's called ratings. The general public is against this war in majority and stories like this feed fuel to the fire. The media does this for every war, dating back to Korea.

Yup, usual humanity.  aka sheep.

[bigflyersmallbyer]

Bit of sad news. Ironically one of the soldiers involved in this was a friendly on the ground. He was wearing full Armour  and cheated death that time. Sadly he was killed by a grenade on his last patrol in Afghanistan on Friday.

http://news.bbc.co.u.../uk/8591196.stm



Rest in peace.

Edited by bigflyersmallbyer, 28 March 2010 - 08:39 AM.

[Max.]

Wow my posts were deleted, what a joke. Seriously that's disgusting, deleting a post honouring the life of Matty Hull who was killed. Whoever did that is a bit of a div.

[bigflyersmallbyer]

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 03:59 PM, said:

Wow my posts were deleted, what a joke. Seriously that's disgusting, deleting a post honouring the life of Matty Hull who was killed. Whoever did that is a bit of a div.

Those post's were deleted but these weren't..?

4dalulz, on Mar 25 2010, 04:54 PM, said:

RIP British Soldiers. Careless IMO

4dalulz, on Mar 25 2010, 05:15 PM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 25 2010, 11:04 AM, said:

4dalulz, on Mar 25 2010, 10:54 AM, said:

RIP British Soldiers. Careless IMO

Unless you've flown in actual combat, you have absolutely no right to say such things.

It's funny..an old topic of A-10 friendly fire gets this much attention, but post a topic about an A-10 pilot saving civilian lives and no one cares...do people really think that ill of our armed services?  

screw you. I can say what I like.

[Chief_Bean]

Whoever said it wasn't careless...that's ridiculous.

And that is all I shall say if posts are being deleted without reason.

[Max.]

Exactly, it clearly was careless, there was no reason to make that mistake. Orange panels on top of friendly armour was the signal that should have set the alarm bells in the pilots minds ringing - but instead they assumed they were hostile rockets. Although I'm yet to ever see an orange rocket launcher. The pilots should have ensured that they knew what was going on rather then second guessing what could have been hostile.

Seriously though like I said, it was war and accidents happen but the bone headed refusal for some on this board to accept that the pilot may have made a mistake is horrendous and ridiculous is equal measure.

[spitfir3]

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 05:44 PM, said:

Exactly, it clearly was careless, there was no reason to make that mistake. Orange panels on top of friendly armour was the signal that should have set the alarm bells in the pilots minds ringing - but instead they assumed they were hostile rockets. Although I'm yet to ever see an orange rocket launcher. The pilots should have ensured that they knew what was going on rather then second guessing what could have been hostile.

Seriously though like I said, it was war and accidents happen but the bone headed refusal for some on this board to accept that the pilot may have made a mistake is horrendous and ridiculous is equal measure.

This. Did someone actually delete a RIP/tribute post you made???  

[Max.]

spitfir3, on Mar 28 2010, 05:48 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 05:44 PM, said:

Exactly, it clearly was careless, there was no reason to make that mistake. Orange panels on top of friendly armour was the signal that should have set the alarm bells in the pilots minds ringing - but instead they assumed they were hostile rockets. Although I'm yet to ever see an orange rocket launcher. The pilots should have ensured that they knew what was going on rather then second guessing what could have been hostile.

Seriously though like I said, it was war and accidents happen but the bone headed refusal for some on this board to accept that the pilot may have made a mistake is horrendous and ridiculous is equal measure.

This. Did someone actually delete a RIP/tribute post you made???  

It wasn't necessarily a RIP post just a reminder of the name of the man who was killed and that people should think of him and his family rather then the emotions the pilots were feeling.

[Prancer]

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 11:51 AM, said:

spitfir3, on Mar 28 2010, 05:48 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 05:44 PM, said:

Exactly, it clearly was careless, there was no reason to make that mistake. Orange panels on top of friendly armour was the signal that should have set the alarm bells in the pilots minds ringing - but instead they assumed they were hostile rockets. Although I'm yet to ever see an orange rocket launcher. The pilots should have ensured that they knew what was going on rather then second guessing what could have been hostile.

Seriously though like I said, it was war and accidents happen but the bone headed refusal for some on this board to accept that the pilot may have made a mistake is horrendous and ridiculous is equal measure.

This. Did someone actually delete a RIP/tribute post you made???  

It wasn't necessarily a RIP post just a reminder of the name of the man who was killed and that people should think of him and his family rather then the emotions the pilots were feeling.

He's been dead seven years, dude. Most of us don't see a point in brooding over someone who's been dead nearly a decade. And why just this person? Where's all the outrage for the two British soldiers were killed when a British tank crew fired on them?

[Max.]

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 28 2010, 06:14 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 11:51 AM, said:

spitfir3, on Mar 28 2010, 05:48 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 05:44 PM, said:

Exactly, it clearly was careless, there was no reason to make that mistake. Orange panels on top of friendly armour was the signal that should have set the alarm bells in the pilots minds ringing - but instead they assumed they were hostile rockets. Although I'm yet to ever see an orange rocket launcher. The pilots should have ensured that they knew what was going on rather then second guessing what could have been hostile.

Seriously though like I said, it was war and accidents happen but the bone headed refusal for some on this board to accept that the pilot may have made a mistake is horrendous and ridiculous is equal measure.

This. Did someone actually delete a RIP/tribute post you made???  

It wasn't necessarily a RIP post just a reminder of the name of the man who was killed and that people should think of him and his family rather then the emotions the pilots were feeling.

He's been dead seven years, dude. Most of us don't see a point in brooding over someone who's been dead nearly a decade. And why just this person? Where's all the outrage for the two British soldiers were killed when a British tank crew fired on them?

That's a joke obviously.

[Prancer]

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 12:37 PM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 28 2010, 06:14 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 11:51 AM, said:

spitfir3, on Mar 28 2010, 05:48 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 05:44 PM, said:

Exactly, it clearly was careless, there was no reason to make that mistake. Orange panels on top of friendly armour was the signal that should have set the alarm bells in the pilots minds ringing - but instead they assumed they were hostile rockets. Although I'm yet to ever see an orange rocket launcher. The pilots should have ensured that they knew what was going on rather then second guessing what could have been hostile.

Seriously though like I said, it was war and accidents happen but the bone headed refusal for some on this board to accept that the pilot may have made a mistake is horrendous and ridiculous is equal measure.

This. Did someone actually delete a RIP/tribute post you made???  

It wasn't necessarily a RIP post just a reminder of the name of the man who was killed and that people should think of him and his family rather then the emotions the pilots were feeling.

He's been dead seven years, dude. Most of us don't see a point in brooding over someone who's been dead nearly a decade. And why just this person? Where's all the outrage for the two British soldiers were killed when a British tank crew fired on them?

That's a joke obviously.

Nope. Because as far as I'm concerned, by watching British media, the Brits looooooooooooove to use this incident to whine about those 'careless yanks'. And given that mostly everyone who keeps griping and showing anger in this thread have their locations set to somewhere in the UK, I don't see any reason to think different. Guess what. You're no better, you've killed many of your own soldiers and allies in the past, get over yourselves.  

Needed to be said, since this topic didn't need to be brought up again in the first place.

[Max.]

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 28 2010, 07:02 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 12:37 PM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 28 2010, 06:14 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 11:51 AM, said:

spitfir3, on Mar 28 2010, 05:48 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 05:44 PM, said:

Exactly, it clearly was careless, there was no reason to make that mistake. Orange panels on top of friendly armour was the signal that should have set the alarm bells in the pilots minds ringing - but instead they assumed they were hostile rockets. Although I'm yet to ever see an orange rocket launcher. The pilots should have ensured that they knew what was going on rather then second guessing what could have been hostile.

Seriously though like I said, it was war and accidents happen but the bone headed refusal for some on this board to accept that the pilot may have made a mistake is horrendous and ridiculous is equal measure.

This. Did someone actually delete a RIP/tribute post you made???  

It wasn't necessarily a RIP post just a reminder of the name of the man who was killed and that people should think of him and his family rather then the emotions the pilots were feeling.

He's been dead seven years, dude. Most of us don't see a point in brooding over someone who's been dead nearly a decade. And why just this person? Where's all the outrage for the two British soldiers were killed when a British tank crew fired on them?

That's a joke obviously.

Nope. Because as far as I'm concerned, by watching British media, the Brits looooooooooooove to use this incident to whine about those 'careless yanks'. And given that mostly everyone who keeps griping and showing anger in this thread have their locations set to somewhere in the UK, I don't see any reason to think different. Guess what. You're no better, you've killed many of your own soldiers and allies in the past, get over yourselves.  

Needed to be said, since this topic didn't need to be brought up again in the first place.

That's yet to be denied.

[Prancer]

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 01:04 PM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 28 2010, 07:02 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 12:37 PM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 28 2010, 06:14 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 11:51 AM, said:

spitfir3, on Mar 28 2010, 05:48 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 05:44 PM, said:

Exactly, it clearly was careless, there was no reason to make that mistake. Orange panels on top of friendly armour was the signal that should have set the alarm bells in the pilots minds ringing - but instead they assumed they were hostile rockets. Although I'm yet to ever see an orange rocket launcher. The pilots should have ensured that they knew what was going on rather then second guessing what could have been hostile.

Seriously though like I said, it was war and accidents happen but the bone headed refusal for some on this board to accept that the pilot may have made a mistake is horrendous and ridiculous is equal measure.

This. Did someone actually delete a RIP/tribute post you made???  

It wasn't necessarily a RIP post just a reminder of the name of the man who was killed and that people should think of him and his family rather then the emotions the pilots were feeling.

He's been dead seven years, dude. Most of us don't see a point in brooding over someone who's been dead nearly a decade. And why just this person? Where's all the outrage for the two British soldiers were killed when a British tank crew fired on them?

That's a joke obviously.

Nope. Because as far as I'm concerned, by watching British media, the Brits looooooooooooove to use this incident to whine about those 'careless yanks'. And given that mostly everyone who keeps griping and showing anger in this thread have their locations set to somewhere in the UK, I don't see any reason to think different. Guess what. You're no better, you've killed many of your own soldiers and allies in the past, get over yourselves.  

Needed to be said, since this topic didn't need to be brought up again in the first place.

That's yet to be denied.

You just said 'obviously that's a joke' when I pointed that out.

[Chief_Bean]

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 28 2010, 07:02 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 12:37 PM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 28 2010, 06:14 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 11:51 AM, said:

spitfir3, on Mar 28 2010, 05:48 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 05:44 PM, said:

Exactly, it clearly was careless, there was no reason to make that mistake. Orange panels on top of friendly armour was the signal that should have set the alarm bells in the pilots minds ringing - but instead they assumed they were hostile rockets. Although I'm yet to ever see an orange rocket launcher. The pilots should have ensured that they knew what was going on rather then second guessing what could have been hostile.

Seriously though like I said, it was war and accidents happen but the bone headed refusal for some on this board to accept that the pilot may have made a mistake is horrendous and ridiculous is equal measure.

This. Did someone actually delete a RIP/tribute post you made???  

It wasn't necessarily a RIP post just a reminder of the name of the man who was killed and that people should think of him and his family rather then the emotions the pilots were feeling.

He's been dead seven years, dude. Most of us don't see a point in brooding over someone who's been dead nearly a decade. And why just this person? Where's all the outrage for the two British soldiers were killed when a British tank crew fired on them?

That's a joke obviously.

Nope. Because as far as I'm concerned, by watching British media, the Brits looooooooooooove to use this incident to whine about those 'careless yanks'. And given that mostly everyone who keeps griping and showing anger in this thread have their locations set to somewhere in the UK, I don't see any reason to think different. Guess what. You're no better, you've killed many of your own soldiers and allies in the past, get over yourselves.  

Needed to be said, since this topic didn't need to be brought up again in the first place.

So what? Just because it has been done by us Brits (and many other countries), it doesn't make the actions of the two pilots in question any more acceptable. I really don't see the point of your post

[Max.]

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 28 2010, 07:04 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 01:04 PM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 28 2010, 07:02 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 12:37 PM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 28 2010, 06:14 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 11:51 AM, said:

spitfir3, on Mar 28 2010, 05:48 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 05:44 PM, said:

Exactly, it clearly was careless, there was no reason to make that mistake. Orange panels on top of friendly armour was the signal that should have set the alarm bells in the pilots minds ringing - but instead they assumed they were hostile rockets. Although I'm yet to ever see an orange rocket launcher. The pilots should have ensured that they knew what was going on rather then second guessing what could have been hostile.

Seriously though like I said, it was war and accidents happen but the bone headed refusal for some on this board to accept that the pilot may have made a mistake is horrendous and ridiculous is equal measure.

This. Did someone actually delete a RIP/tribute post you made???  

It wasn't necessarily a RIP post just a reminder of the name of the man who was killed and that people should think of him and his family rather then the emotions the pilots were feeling.

He's been dead seven years, dude. Most of us don't see a point in brooding over someone who's been dead nearly a decade. And why just this person? Where's all the outrage for the two British soldiers were killed when a British tank crew fired on them?

That's a joke obviously.

Nope. Because as far as I'm concerned, by watching British media, the Brits looooooooooooove to use this incident to whine about those 'careless yanks'. And given that mostly everyone who keeps griping and showing anger in this thread have their locations set to somewhere in the UK, I don't see any reason to think different. Guess what. You're no better, you've killed many of your own soldiers and allies in the past, get over yourselves.  

Needed to be said, since this topic didn't need to be brought up again in the first place.

That's yet to be denied.

You just said 'obviously that's a joke' when I pointed that out.

I wasn't saying that was a joke because that is true a Challenger 2 did fire on a another Challenger 2 during night time firefight during the initial invasion in Iraq killing 2 servicemen, but that doesn't detract from anything. You're first point which I won't repeat because it's dumb was what I believed was an obvious joke - considering it was coming from you the all American man of the veterans. (not the non-american ones though evidently)

Edited by Max., 28 March 2010 - 01:32 PM.

[Buziel-411_RED]

Chief_Bean, on Mar 28 2010, 01:15 PM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 28 2010, 07:02 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 12:37 PM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 28 2010, 06:14 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 11:51 AM, said:

spitfir3, on Mar 28 2010, 05:48 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 05:44 PM, said:

Exactly, it clearly was careless, there was no reason to make that mistake. Orange panels on top of friendly armour was the signal that should have set the alarm bells in the pilots minds ringing - but instead they assumed they were hostile rockets. Although I'm yet to ever see an orange rocket launcher. The pilots should have ensured that they knew what was going on rather then second guessing what could have been hostile.

Seriously though like I said, it was war and accidents happen but the bone headed refusal for some on this board to accept that the pilot may have made a mistake is horrendous and ridiculous is equal measure.

This. Did someone actually delete a RIP/tribute post you made???  

It wasn't necessarily a RIP post just a reminder of the name of the man who was killed and that people should think of him and his family rather then the emotions the pilots were feeling.

He's been dead seven years, dude. Most of us don't see a point in brooding over someone who's been dead nearly a decade. And why just this person? Where's all the outrage for the two British soldiers were killed when a British tank crew fired on them?

That's a joke obviously.

Nope. Because as far as I'm concerned, by watching British media, the Brits looooooooooooove to use this incident to whine about those 'careless yanks'. And given that mostly everyone who keeps griping and showing anger in this thread have their locations set to somewhere in the UK, I don't see any reason to think different. Guess what. You're no better, you've killed many of your own soldiers and allies in the past, get over yourselves.  

Needed to be said, since this topic didn't need to be brought up again in the first place.

So what? Just because it has been done by us Brits (and many other countries), it doesn't make the actions of the two pilots in question any more acceptable. I really don't see the point of your post

When the Americans mess up, the pilots are called careless, people say they should be discharged, etc. When the British do it, you say, "So what?"

[Mohammad]

I've read this entire topic and my conclusion so far is some of the Americans who posted here just really don't get it.

[Max.]

Buziel-411_RED, on Mar 28 2010, 07:49 PM, said:

Chief_Bean, on Mar 28 2010, 01:15 PM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 28 2010, 07:02 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 12:37 PM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 28 2010, 06:14 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 11:51 AM, said:

spitfir3, on Mar 28 2010, 05:48 PM, said:

Max., on Mar 28 2010, 05:44 PM, said:

Exactly, it clearly was careless, there was no reason to make that mistake. Orange panels on top of friendly armour was the signal that should have set the alarm bells in the pilots minds ringing - but instead they assumed they were hostile rockets. Although I'm yet to ever see an orange rocket launcher. The pilots should have ensured that they knew what was going on rather then second guessing what could have been hostile.

Seriously though like I said, it was war and accidents happen but the bone headed refusal for some on this board to accept that the pilot may have made a mistake is horrendous and ridiculous is equal measure.

This. Did someone actually delete a RIP/tribute post you made???  

It wasn't necessarily a RIP post just a reminder of the name of the man who was killed and that people should think of him and his family rather then the emotions the pilots were feeling.

He's been dead seven years, dude. Most of us don't see a point in brooding over someone who's been dead nearly a decade. And why just this person? Where's all the outrage for the two British soldiers were killed when a British tank crew fired on them?

That's a joke obviously.

Nope. Because as far as I'm concerned, by watching British media, the Brits looooooooooooove to use this incident to whine about those 'careless yanks'. And given that mostly everyone who keeps griping and showing anger in this thread have their locations set to somewhere in the UK, I don't see any reason to think different. Guess what. You're no better, you've killed many of your own soldiers and allies in the past, get over yourselves.  

Needed to be said, since this topic didn't need to be brought up again in the first place.

So what? Just because it has been done by us Brits (and many other countries), it doesn't make the actions of the two pilots in question any more acceptable. I really don't see the point of your post

When the Americans mess up, the pilots are called careless, people say they should be discharged, etc. When the British do it, you say, "So what?"

That's not what he meant at all.