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[Mohammad]

Not sure if this is the same place but its tough and in Iceland too...

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[Prancer]

NWilkinson, on Mar 31 2010, 05:07 PM, said:

Well, I broke about 5 747-400ERF's and two 777-200ER's trying to do it...   I can get to the airport but I can't get below 135 knots without stalling at such a high bank angle..  I bet only regional jets and 737's and any other aircraft that can fly slowly can land in there..  heavies just won't do it.

sure they can, I've seen them do it often in real life. Just need proper weight and speed management.

[AmericanAirFan]

NWilkinson, on Mar 31 2010, 05:18 PM, said:

AmericanAirFan, on Mar 31 2010, 05:16 PM, said:

NWilkinson, on Mar 31 2010, 05:07 PM, said:

Well, I broke about 5 747-400ERF's and two 777-200ER's trying to do it...   I can get to the airport but I can't get below 135 knots without stalling at such a high bank angle..  I bet only regional jets and 737's and any other aircraft that can fly slowly can land in there..  heavies just won't do it.

I'll try a 747 just cause you can't

I will give you 5 stars on your profile if you can do it..  btw I found out that I had a crosswind pushing me into the mountains..  so no changing winds to make your turn radius shorter

Real world weather gave me winds out of 060. I did it with a very lightly loaded PMDG 747-400 Full Autobrake and flying slowww.

[Mohammad]

The video I posted was a 737. He was able to take off and land, although Im not sure he had crash settings turned on.

[Aharon]

NWilkinson, on Mar 31 2010, 05:22 PM, said:

I accept that challenge.  What's the airport identifier?

Not sure what you mean by airport identifier, please but if you are referring to what airport code for that airport in video, it is BIIS with runway of about 4,600 ft.

Thanks to all for agreeing to accept excitement and challenge of landing on BIIS in same precise way as in the second real life video from my first post.

Should make youtube/simtube videos very interesting!!

Regards,

Aharon

AmericanAirFan, on Mar 31 2010, 06:30 PM, said:

Real world weather gave me winds out of 060.

That is common wind speed in Iceland!!

Aharon

[Alaska_MD-83]

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 31 2010, 02:36 PM, said:

The irony is, that's a considerably wide, slow turn. It amazes me, on an aviation forum, how the simplest things stun a majority of the members.

Firstly You misused irony. That's a pet peeve of mine that I just thought I'd say. Secondly, this is a midsized passenger jet. This is not a tomcat. There is a difference. You see here young lad (I swear your age once said you were 14 back when you were perriwen/a great american) is that a passenger jet is considerably less agile then say an f-14. For a passenger jet it is pretty neat to see this done, seeing as how Passenger jets have nowhere near the maneuverability as combat planes.

[Prancer]

Alaska_MD-83, on Mar 31 2010, 05:38 PM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 31 2010, 02:36 PM, said:

The irony is, that's a considerably wide, slow turn. It amazes me, on an aviation forum, how the simplest things stun a majority of the members.

Firstly You misused irony. That's a pet peeve of mine that I just thought I'd say. Secondly, this is a midsized passenger jet. This is not a tomcat. There is a difference. You see here young lad (I swear your age once said you were 14 back when you were perriwen/a great american) is that a passenger jet is considerably less agile then say an f-14. For a passenger jet it is pretty neat to see this done, seeing as how Passenger jets have nowhere near the maneuverability as combat planes.

Uh...I've seen planes considerably larger than a midsized passenger jet make tighter turns, young lad.  
It's one advantage to living under a major approach path.

Edited by Tomcats_Forever, 31 March 2010 - 05:42 PM.

[_NW_]

I wouldn't call a Fokker 50 a midsized passenger jet..  more like a mini-DC9

[Alaska_MD-83]

I live under burbank, I see 737s do 90 degree turns all the time. (Like tighter than KT. It's amazing to see them too). It's just abit different to see 180.

And on that note, I would like to tell everyone I just completed this using an A318. Not that difficult in FS, but real life, I'd probably crap myself.

[Prancer]

Alaska_MD-83, on Mar 31 2010, 06:11 PM, said:

I live under burbank, I see 737s do 90 degree turns all the time. (Like tighter than KT. It's amazing to see them too). It's just abit different to see 180.

And on that note, I would like to tell everyone I just completed this using an A318. Not that difficult in FS, but real life, I'd probably crap myself.

The spot I live at is right under where most the heavies, 747s, 767s, 777s, etc do 180s to line up with the runway. Trust me, some of them can turn pretty darn tight.

[FL050]

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 31 2010, 06:17 PM, said:

Alaska_MD-83, on Mar 31 2010, 06:11 PM, said:

I live under burbank, I see 737s do 90 degree turns all the time. (Like tighter than KT. It's amazing to see them too). It's just abit different to see 180.

And on that note, I would like to tell everyone I just completed this using an A318. Not that difficult in FS, but real life, I'd probably crap myself.

The spot I live at is right under where most the heavies, 747s, 767s, 777s, etc do 180s to line up with the runway. Trust me, some of them can turn pretty darn tight.

But you're also looking at the airplane doing 180s from thousands of feet away, which is going to make it look even smaller.

[Prancer]

FL050, on Mar 31 2010, 08:22 PM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 31 2010, 06:17 PM, said:

Alaska_MD-83, on Mar 31 2010, 06:11 PM, said:

I live under burbank, I see 737s do 90 degree turns all the time. (Like tighter than KT. It's amazing to see them too). It's just abit different to see 180.

And on that note, I would like to tell everyone I just completed this using an A318. Not that difficult in FS, but real life, I'd probably crap myself.

The spot I live at is right under where most the heavies, 747s, 767s, 777s, etc do 180s to line up with the runway. Trust me, some of them can turn pretty darn tight.

But you're also looking at the airplane doing 180s from thousands of feet away, which is going to make it look even smaller.

They're low enough that I can make out the windows with the naked eye..

[Tako]

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 31 2010, 09:24 PM, said:

FL050, on Mar 31 2010, 08:22 PM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 31 2010, 06:17 PM, said:

Alaska_MD-83, on Mar 31 2010, 06:11 PM, said:

I live under burbank, I see 737s do 90 degree turns all the time. (Like tighter than KT. It's amazing to see them too). It's just abit different to see 180.

And on that note, I would like to tell everyone I just completed this using an A318. Not that difficult in FS, but real life, I'd probably crap myself.

The spot I live at is right under where most the heavies, 747s, 767s, 777s, etc do 180s to line up with the runway. Trust me, some of them can turn pretty darn tight.

But you're also looking at the airplane doing 180s from thousands of feet away, which is going to make it look even smaller.

They're low enough that I can make out the windows with the naked eye..

Do you have some bizarre approach into your local airport? Otherwise, I don't think the airlines do incredibly tight turns just for the fun of it. Plus, you can see windows on an aircraft from half a mile away.

[Prancer]

Tako, on Mar 31 2010, 08:41 PM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 31 2010, 09:24 PM, said:

FL050, on Mar 31 2010, 08:22 PM, said:

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 31 2010, 06:17 PM, said:

Alaska_MD-83, on Mar 31 2010, 06:11 PM, said:

I live under burbank, I see 737s do 90 degree turns all the time. (Like tighter than KT. It's amazing to see them too). It's just abit different to see 180.

And on that note, I would like to tell everyone I just completed this using an A318. Not that difficult in FS, but real life, I'd probably crap myself.

The spot I live at is right under where most the heavies, 747s, 767s, 777s, etc do 180s to line up with the runway. Trust me, some of them can turn pretty darn tight.

But you're also looking at the airplane doing 180s from thousands of feet away, which is going to make it look even smaller.

They're low enough that I can make out the windows with the naked eye..

Do you have some bizarre approach into your local airport? Otherwise, I don't think the airlines do incredibly tight turns just for the fun of it. Plus, you can see windows on an aircraft from half a mile away.

Possibly. You're welcome to come to Houston for a few days and watch for yourself!

[tikiman06]

Tomcats_Forever, on Mar 31 2010, 05:36 PM, said:

The irony is, that's a considerably wide, slow turn. It amazes me, on an aviation forum, how the simplest things stun a majority of the members.

Um, not exactly the simplest of approaches. While the turn itself is not extremely steep, it is still quite the bank angle for a commercial aircraft. The real thing that will get ya at this airport is the extremely low margin for error. You better be really on top of your airspeed. And I bet some nasty down drafts come out of those mountains.

[Prancer]

Quite a bank angle? Even for a commercial aircraft, that was nothing..

[Fate01_VUSAFS]

In the second vid, I think the angle makes the plane look like it's at a steeper bank than it really was. And in the first vid, I really don't see the bank issue. 30 degrees of bank is fairly steep but it's a standard bank for turns. You won't really see airliners going any further because it freaks out the passengers.

[simfgta]

Now i know why we practice short approaches jajajaja

[THBatMan8]

NWilkinson, on Mar 31 2010, 06:18 PM, said:

AmericanAirFan, on Mar 31 2010, 05:16 PM, said:

NWilkinson, on Mar 31 2010, 05:07 PM, said:

Well, I broke about 5 747-400ERF's and two 777-200ER's trying to do it...   I can get to the airport but I can't get below 135 knots without stalling at such a high bank angle..  I bet only regional jets and 737's and any other aircraft that can fly slowly can land in there..  heavies just won't do it.

I'll try a 747 just cause you can't

I will give you 5 stars on your profile if you can do it..  btw I found out that I had a crosswind pushing me into the mountains..  so no changing winds to make your turn radius shorter

Alright, I will try this approach in the 767 and post it on youtube.

[Prancer]

Sadly, we're dealing with a video game containing horrid flight dynamics. Try it in X-Plane!