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Bman., on Jan 9 2011, 11:50 PM, said:

Yeah, I think so on the 8GB.  I mean, here is the thing - there are a lot of factors that play into submitting an order.  The first and biggest hurdle is my wife.  When she see a ton of loot rolling in through the front door, there are questions and if there are questions, there is no good answer   There for, if I am going, I am going all in (for the most part as this just isn't extreme like it used to be...$600 GPUs and what nots just a few years ago).  

You never know when the extra memory will come in handy.   I would say over the past 20 computers I have owned, they all needed a memory upgrade at some point.  For example, take my Zenith data sys - circa 1989, math co-processor x86 +$500.  Ram updage was $75 a meg... A MEG!  Holy crap.  It cost me $300 bones to go from 4 meg to 8 meg...... so, the extra $40 to go from 4 GB to 8 GB is compelling simply to even out my per meg cost. Haha

Hmmm, on the Hydro.  You can get the H50 for $60.  Wonder if it's worth the extra $40 for the 70?   Here is a dumb question - do I need to buy coolant for the hydros H50 or H70?

Oh yeah, what about the 8gb cache versus 6 gb of the 2500k?  Negligible on day to day computer usage?

Haha - Understandable, I myself was considering 8GB too, but I decided to just take one stick out of my current Crucial Ballistix tracer red's to make it 4gb.

Seeing as the reviewers for sandy bridge are getting 5, 5.5ghz (on VERY high voltage) and actually seeing temps stay around 70c or less on a high end air cooler, the H50 is more than capable of matching those coolers. I did not realize the H70 was $100! The H50 would definitely make more sense as I can't see the H70 being much cooler than a H50 with one extra fan (push/pull configuration - having 2 fans on both sides of the radiator, one pulling air and the other pushing it out.)


As for the 8mb vs 6mb cache.. Not noticeable if you're doing it for basic things and FSX/gaming.  Barely even noticeable even if you were doing encoding and such.

quick edit: No the coolant is already in the H50 loop, All you have to do is install it.




Saw your edit, you have a Xigmatek cooler? That is probably going to be sufficient enough.

Edited by b0gey_dead_six, 10 January 2011 - 12:14 AM.

[Bman.]

I think I am sold.


ASUS P65 + 2500k + 8GB + HW50 + HF922 = murder to the Q6600.

PS - Only issue keeping the Sigmatek is the mounting - 775 versus 1155 board.
I might as well keep something intact on the q6600 machine.  It would be a shame to throw it out on account of a cooler.
I have a spare PSU and GPU to throw in there so it would be an excellent spare machine.

Edited by Bman., 10 January 2011 - 12:18 AM.

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Bman., on Jan 9 2011, 11:50 PM, said:

I can go barebones:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131681
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115072
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835103055
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820145260

$500 delivered to the door....  keep the same case and feed the Q6600 and P5K to the birds.

I think I have spent more time and flip flopping than I did buying my first house ....   figures.

Those corsair xms3's are CAS9 (CAS latency, the amount of time it takes for cpu to communicate with memory, lower is better)

There are a lot of CAS8 1600mhz options for pretty much the same $. G.skill ripjaws, etc..

[Bman.]

Rgr on the CAS8 vs 9.

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b0gey_dead_six, on Jan 9 2011, 11:44 PM, said:

Games barely take advantage of all 4 or 6 cores we have available to us these days..

Rendering and Video/Image editing programs actually do make use of HT and beat out the non HT processors by quite a margin.  Gaming, like its been mentioned, will be roughly the same between the two CPU's.


Bman - Build looks good.  8GB surely isn't overkill in this day and age anymore and it's a wise choice, especially at $110.  The only thing I might suggest on switching is the cooler.  The H50/H70 line does not require you to add coolant, it's an enclosed all in one setup.  Very easy to install and use, but they do not resemble water cooling performance.  There are a couple air coolers out there that will outperform these units for about the same price of the H50.  I have read from some users that they could not install the H50 on their P67 motherboards, so I can't say 100% if it will fit.

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nvm, toby beat me to it.

Toby Werner, on Jan 10 2011, 12:20 AM, said:

Rendering and Video/Image editing programs actually do make use of HT and beat out the non HT processors by quite a margin.  Gaming, like its been mentioned, will be roughly the same between the two CPU's.

Right, which is why I said games..

Edited by b0gey_dead_six, 10 January 2011 - 12:21 AM.

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b0gey_dead_six, on Jan 10 2011, 12:21 AM, said:

nvm, toby beat me to it.
Right, which is why I said games..

Ah, I thought you were trying to say that encoding & editing programs wouldn't benefit from the 2600K over the 2500K since games barely take advantage of 4 cores, my bad  

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Toby Werner, on Jan 10 2011, 12:27 AM, said:

Ah, I thought you were trying to say that encoding & editing programs wouldn't benefit from the 2600K over the 2500K since games barely take advantage of 4 cores, my bad  

Maybe it came out wrong heh.

[Bman.]

So it begs the question - give me something to ponder, what air cooler will rival the H50 for $65?

For what it's worth, I don't do THAT much rendering... that which I do render, is FSX videos.  So, the extent is minimal and I have made due with my Q6600 for that so anything faster would be a bonus.  2500k should do fine.

Edited by Bman., 10 January 2011 - 12:40 AM.

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http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835887027
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835106150

You'd have to add a 120mm fan for the Scythe heatsink


edit: Yes if its just simple FSX video editing the 2500K will be fine.

Edited by Toby Werner, 10 January 2011 - 12:50 AM.

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Bman., on Jan 10 2011, 12:39 AM, said:

So it begs the question - give me something to ponder, what air cooler will rival the H50 for $65?

For what it's worth, I don't do THAT much rendering... that which I do render, is FSX videos.  So, the extent is minimal and I have made due with my Q6600 for that so anything faster would be a bonus.  2500k should do fine.

I think you would be happy enough with your current Xigmatek.

Or take a look at the megahalems: http://blog.corsair....-pull-image.png - you would need to get a fan too, so you could get one that moves a lot of air ~70cfm or better.

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That's a good idea uber; the Xiggy should be more than enough to cool the 2500K just have to order backplate I'm guessing.

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http://www.newegg.co...3-038-_-Product

Bman, check the compability section to make sure your heatsink is there - I'd assume this is for all if not most of the xigmateks.

which do you have anyway?

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1283 I believe, that bracket should do the trick  

[flyhalf]

Definitely get the 8Gb. 6Gb is standard minimum now. 4Gb is like stepping back 3 years.

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^^ And that's just silly flyhalf    4GB is plenty still, however I do believe Bman wants to just do a one-time upgrade, so 8GB would be logical option.

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Bman., on Jan 9 2011, 09:39 PM, said:

So it begs the question - give me something to ponder, what air cooler will rival the H50 for $65?

I was contemplating getting an H70, I went with the H50 and am so happy I did and the savings, I turned my H50 into an H70, by purchasing two After-market High Air Flow 120mm fans replaced the Corsair fan that came with the unit, and I sandwiched the radiator between the two fans, both fans blow air out through the radiator and out the back of the case, Its a cheap DIY project, you will get better temps, and not have to waste an extra $40.

[Bman.]

Thanks guys - it's all been a lot of help!

Few last questions - clockablility.  I read an article discussing the relative % of what chips might clock and it seems there is no difference between the 2500k and 2600k in terms of upper end (assuming they were both in a lot that had decent clocking capabilities).  True?

Cosma - Didn't two high end fans cost your nearly $40?.... ok $30?

Edited by Bman., 10 January 2011 - 08:27 AM.

[Peter797]

flyhalf, on Jan 10 2011, 02:11 AM, said:

Definitely get the 8Gb. 6Gb is standard minimum now. 4Gb is like stepping back 3 years.

Pretty bold statement you make there. I don't even use all 4 gigs when running FSX, messenger, antivirus etc.

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Bman., on Jan 10 2011, 08:26 AM, said:

Thanks guys - it's all been a lot of help!

Few last questions - clockablility.  I read an article discussing the relative % of what chips might clock and it seems there is no difference between the 2500k and 2600k in terms of upper end (assuming they were both in a lot that had decent clocking capabilities).  True?

Cosma - Didn't two high end fans cost your nearly $40?.... ok $30?

2600K has been reported to clock a bit higher than the 2500K, but we're talking ~ 200MHz so it's really not a big difference.