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[ThrottleUp]

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flock of stupid birds

They were around loooooooooooooooooooooong before us  

Edited by ThrottleUp, 15 January 2009 - 05:41 PM.

[David_Lee_Roth]

ThrottleUp, on Jan 15 2009, 06:41 PM, said:

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flock of stupid birds

They were around loooooooooooooooooooooong before us  

So were the dinosaurs, and nobody cares when drunks say they run into them!

[aviatordom]

SergeBMW, on Jan 15 2009, 10:30 PM, said:

NWILKSON to clear things up, the cabin is always pressurized to 6000ft once its at the ground or some amount. It is always pressurized before takoff.


And I think that the A320 will be able to be reused later once its repared as there might not be much damage other than  probably small internal wing structure cracks and water damage. Hopefully it will be reused.

APU may have a bit of damage, depends if water got through the APU doors/cowl at the back

Few other parts may also need to be replaced.

How on earth are they going to transport this an A320 around once they decide what needs to be done with it. In New York?

Obviously, the wings are going to have to be taken off, but is there a space big enough nearby to place the aircraft down for engineers to do this?

[03SVTCobra]

SergeBMW, on Jan 15 2009, 06:30 PM, said:

NWILKSON to clear things up, the cabin is always pressurized to 6000ft once its at the ground or some amount. It is always pressurized before takoff.


And I think that the A320 will be able to be reused later once its repared as there might not be much damage other than  probably small internal wing structure cracks and water damage. Hopefully it will be reused.

It will be scrapped for parts. For safety reasons, insurance reasons, and cost. The only reusable feature of this plane is MAYBE the fuselage. The electrics will have shorts, the engines are done, the wings are not meant to hold thousands of pounds of people, it just isn't feasible to re use this aircraft.

[aviatordom]

ThrottleUp, on Jan 15 2009, 10:41 PM, said:

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flock of stupid birds

They were around loooooooooooooooooooooong before us  

It's kinda ironic how birds-the most vulnerable things that can fly can manage to bring down a commercial airliner

[Captain-Amar]

A32X, on Jan 15 2009, 11:48 PM, said:

ThrottleUp, on Jan 15 2009, 10:41 PM, said:

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flock of stupid birds

They were around loooooooooooooooooooooong before us  

It's kinda ironic how birds-the most vulnerable things that can fly can manage to bring down a commercial airliner

Hahaha  

[NX9243]

Position Report:

03:26PM   40.80   -73.87   151   1800 level   New York TRACON
03:27PM 40.83 -73.87 174 2800 climbing New York TRACON
03:27PM 40.86 -73.88 194 3200 climbing New York Center
03:28PM 40.88 -73.90 202 2000 descending New York TRACON
03:28PM 40.86 -73.93 215 1600 descending New York Center
03:29PM 40.83 -73.95 194 1200 descending New York TRACON
03:29PM 40.82 -73.97 191 1300 climbing New York Center
03:30PM 40.78 -74.00 189 400 descending   New York TRACON
03:31PM 40.75 -74.02 153 300 descending New York TRACON

Depth Chart:

[Captain Quagmire]

What great news...in the week that Heathrow had its expansion plans approved! *note the sarcasm* Everyone against aviation will be having a field day in the papers tomorrow...

[franthree]

I thought Jet engine blades are made out of titanium so they would chew apart any bird- -but if it was a big flock

[Greeney]

franthree, on Jan 15 2009, 06:04 PM, said:

I thought Jet engine blades are made out of titanium so they would chew apart any bird- -but if it was a big flock

it can chew through the birds but not the beaks...

[THBatMan8]

Cudos to the pilots and flight crew for bringing that plane down safely.

Airbuses have a RAT that deploys (similar to Boeing's) in the event of a complete engine failure. If you note the news shots and screenshots, the flaps are still fully extended meaning they had some hydraulic power. Maybe the flight crew also had the APU running from takeoff.

What impressed me the most is the plane stayed in one piece (generally speaking) during that hard landing. That says alot about the durability of the Airbus fleet if anyone had any doubt.

My hats off to the entire flight crew and the builders of the Airbus fleet. The situation could have been much worse.

Edited by THBatMan8, 15 January 2009 - 06:23 PM.

[MD-11 Vrt pilot]

SergeBMW, on Jan 15 2009, 05:30 PM, said:

NWILKSON to clear things up, the cabin is always pressurized to 6000ft once its at the ground or some amount. It is always pressurized before takoff.


And I think that the A320 will be able to be reused later once its repared as there might not be much damage other than  probably small internal wing structure cracks and water damage. Hopefully it will be reused.

The plane is a write off I hate to inform you  as it landed in salt water that gets into every nook and cranny and corrosion will set in and it would be too expensive to fix it, they are better off collecting the insurance check and buying a new plane.

[_NW_]

SergeBMW, on Jan 15 2009, 04:30 PM, said:

NWILKSON to clear things up, the cabin is always pressurized to 6000ft once its at the ground or some amount. It is always pressurized before takoff.


And I think that the A320 will be able to be reused later once its repared as there might not be much damage other than  probably small internal wing structure cracks and water damage. Hopefully it will be reused.

You're trying to tell a pilot who flies in pressurized aircraft how they work?

They aren't pressurized on the ground.  The aircraft is equipped so that you can't pressurize while on the ground.  It can be overridden by mechanics for ground checks, but it's not a normal operation.  While the pressurization is under normal operations, the aircraft starts to be pressurized as it climbs.  You'll be up around FL250 when the cabin altitude is 6000 feet.  You won't get the equivalent of 6000 feet below it..  that would create a lower pressure in the cabin, which is physically impossible because of the design of the door and window seals.  In other words..  the airplane, is NEVER pressurized before take off.

And the 320 will be scrapped.  The lightly salty portion the 320 ditched into has already started to contaminate the aircraft structure.  It's interior has beyond severe flood damage.  All electrical components, engines, avionics, wires, are all now dead due to water and salt damage.  The aircraft will be written off.  The cost to of labor and parts to repair the aircraft outweigh the price of buying a new one.

Max., on Jan 15 2009, 04:26 PM, said:

How deep in the water in that part of the river? I assume that the passengers there are standing on the wing? As well as the raft?

Well that's a stupid question...   if they weren't standing on the wing, and possible the river floor...  then why is the aircraft in so deep?

[03SVTCobra]

LAPTOP GAMER, on Jan 15 2009, 07:23 PM, said:

SergeBMW, on Jan 15 2009, 05:30 PM, said:

NWILKSON to clear things up, the cabin is always pressurized to 6000ft once its at the ground or some amount. It is always pressurized before takoff.


And I think that the A320 will be able to be reused later once its repared as there might not be much damage other than  probably small internal wing structure cracks and water damage. Hopefully it will be reused.

The plane is a write off I hate to inform you  as it landed in salt water that gets into every nook and cranny and corrosion will set in and it would be too expensive to fix it, they are better off collecting the insurance check and buying a new plane.

The Hudson River is actually considered fresh water by most science organizations but they do recognize it is a fair mix being that it is so close to the Atlantic Ocean.

[davie18]

Interview with one of the passengers here

http://news.bbc.co.u...cas/7832309.stm

You can see he is still very shocked, as anyone would be.

[franthree]

Seems the reason the Airbus did not sink was the crew hit the "DITCH" button which seals the planes outboard valves and keeps it pressurized----and the crew did not open the rear door which would cause the plane to sink tail-first---Nice job---crew

Edited by franthree, 15 January 2009 - 06:49 PM.

[spitfir3]

Unbelievable really.. can't believe it's still intact   Brilliant job by the pilots.. and Airbus

[Frederiksen]

I've been watching the live news reports all day.
It was an US Airways Flight 1549 - A-320. It had 150 PAX aboard and 5 Crew members.
It got to an altitude of 3200 Ft before it had a double stike of geese. Passed over the G. Washington Bridge at 900 Ft.
All passengers and crew are safe, Hypo-Thermia is the biggest thing that they have, a few broken bones.

[reyven]

Great Story with a happy ending!!! Shows what should happen with great engineering and flight crew skill!
Kudos.

[_haphadon_]

Wow just heard about it right now. Incredible everyone is safe!