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[jetblast787]

what weird NAT tracks we had today! im guessing tomorrow is going to be weirder

http://www.jetplan.com/tda/west.html

[THBatMan8]

vatsimflyer, on Apr 19 2010, 06:27 PM, said:

and yes I work in flight ops, you wouldnt believe the madness this has caused the airlines, hence the losing of hair, due stress of it, and the real test comes tomorrow night when things will start moving...

That's understandable.  

[vatsimflyer]

Well a million and one varying issues, mainly with the a/c being stuck at outstations

a/c out of maintenance checks at small outstations.. for example a taxi out, you have a week to replace it..etc etc

fuel saturation issues, as everyone is going to want 2 - 3 hours hold fuel, there just isnt enough  

crew issues, crews have been away for nearly a week, the HK/OZ crews, nearly 2, so they will all be on 4 days off..  you have crew without clothes,phone chargers,personal medication as they have been away for a week not 1 night...etc etc

crews at the moment are on standby at home, and you have to give them days off too, as they have been on standby all last week...

All the flights when they do start moving again are going to be full to the brim, so you need a full complement, which we don't have.

the list goes on and on, its not all plain sailing as you may think

Edited by vatsimflyer, 19 April 2010 - 08:07 PM.

[Fate01_VUSAFS]

iranair787, on Apr 19 2010, 11:15 AM, said:

if planes fly with pax now i won't be worried at all. there will be indications before a engine packs up cause of the ash as there is less of it in the air than what went through BA9. and even if there is an emergency, there are many airports within 50nm in either direction, definitely enough of a glide if needs be

50 miles is a long way when you have no engine power

[vatsimflyer]

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50 miles is a long way when you have no engine power
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Thats made my morning....... got to love euthisasts

after a 12 hours of listening to pilots moaning down the phone to me,and then Bryan Flynn's new game plan at 0330z with no-fly zones.

Edited by vatsimflyer, 19 April 2010 - 10:53 PM.

[vatsimflyer]

so now baseing it on concentration levels, and raising the threat threshold to have more open airspace with a new ash map, (i would say due to commercial pressure)

and you wait when the press see the new maps, and publish them  the public will then want to know why such huge airspace's have previously been closed

then traffic will start flying due to commercial pressure, someone will have a engine  vibration, bird strike or similar. the a/c will divert, the spotters will get all excited and all media madness will break loose.. you watch

Edited by vatsimflyer, 19 April 2010 - 11:17 PM.

[LA_PHX]

vatsimflyer, on Apr 20 2010, 12:09 AM, said:

so now baseing it on concentration levels, and raising the threat threshold to have more open airspace with a new ash map, (i would say due to commercial pressure)

and you wait when the press see the new maps, and publish them  the public will then want to know why such huge airspace's have previously been closed

then traffic will start flying due to commercial pressure, someone will have a engine  vibration, bird strike or similar. the a/c will divert, the spotters will get all excited and all media madness will break loose.. you watch

Sounds like your job is getting to ya'.

[jetblast787]

vatsimflyer, on Apr 20 2010, 04:46 AM, said:

50 miles is a long way when you have no engine power


Thats made my morning....... got to love euthisasts

after a 12 hours of listening to pilots moaning down the phone to me,and then Bryan Flynn's new game plan at 0330z with no-fly zones.

i assumed while giving 100 miles for a powered descent into the airport from cruise, without power it would be at least half that from cruise

[_TW_]

TheBigTurkey, on Apr 17 2010, 06:28 AM, said:

Toby Werner, on Apr 17 2010, 05:42 AM, said:

TheBigTurkey, on Apr 17 2010, 05:11 AM, said:

This is crazy. Soooo many airlines are losing money. lol.

Care to elaborate?  I'd rather ground flights than risk total engine blowouts & risk thousands of lives up there.  Plus, how are they losing money?  It's not like they're burning their fuel sitting at the tarmac..

You must not know much about the airline industry. And I meant crazy as in "wow,a lot of airlines are losing money".

Well, at the time that I wrote that I was not thinking about how the airlines are reimbursing their customers & also that the airlines might also be paying for hotel rooms, etc.  Thanks guys for clearing that up; was not thinking about all the ground costs & also the opportunity cost the airlines are missing out on.

I sure hope all the airliners that do take to the skies today make it to their destinations without any incidents, seems as if air travel has slowly been picking up again. (Although I'm not too sure if I'd fly just yet!)

[Audioslave]

quote from NWilkinson post ....


" Well, if you can't afford to travel..     then don't travel.  I have no pity for the fools who travel with no emergency funds...  it's pure foolishness at it's best.

I know not everyone can afford a 5000 pound taxi ride like John Cleese but trains and buses are not that expensive...  and the amount of warning passengers had could have given them enough time to find alternate modes of transportation (except those flying long distances) "



you are well out of order saying that ,  alot of these people do have extra funds but they are being ripped off during this crisis  have you ever been in a crisis like this?   think before you open your mouth , do you know how much it cost to feed a family per day and pay extra for your hotel room seeing as some of these scum bags are putting up their prices , its well and good saying  trains and buses are not expensive sat on your where ever you maybe when you wrote the above  , it soon amounts up when you are using various buses and trains and taxis  when there are familys involved   have a heart will ya

Edited by Audioslave, 20 April 2010 - 05:06 AM.

[jetblast787]

my friend has one of a luck! now the greek ferries are on stike!

[jetblast787]

on radar virtual now over bristol:

Flight Number : DLH418
Company : Lufthansa AG
ICAO Hex Code : 3C4AD5
Reg Code : D-ABVU
Model : Boeing - B747-430
Departure : FRA - Frankfurt, Rhein-Main - Germany
Arrival : WDC - Uranium City, Mars - Canada
Last Message : 12:24:59 UTC
Latitude : 51.77385
Longitude : -1.96848
Altitude : 10972 m - 35997 ft
Ground Speed : 745 km/h - 463 mph - 402 knots
Squawk : 623
Heading : 279º

LH to Uranium city?

[vatsimflyer]

its going to KIAD....


maybe reason being.. its an  special VFR/IFR flight hence having being filed as a "z" flight ruling being  to "get round" the new nofly zone issues...

its also IFP ERROUTRAD, which means its RAD exempt I think ,which they brought in as i was leaving the office this morning...

but Im sure the 18 year old  ICT students experts and professionals can explain that one...


-OPR DLH
-REG DABVU
-RMK TCAS
-RVR 200
-SEL CDAP
-SRC FPL
-TTLEET 0754
-RFL F180
-SPEED N0487
-FLTRUL Z
-FLTTYP S
-ROUTE N0487F180 BIBTI1G BIBTI/N0490F380 IFR UZ29 NIK UL610 LAM UL179 CPT UL9 SLANY DCT MALOT/M084F380 NATF DOTTY/N0489F400 N162B TOPPS DCT BGR J80 GANDE/N0405F200 J80 SAX J6 LRP HYPER2
-ALTRNT1 KBWI

Edited by vatsimflyer, 20 April 2010 - 08:15 AM.

[MattGarner]

Statement on Icelandic volcanic eruption: Tuesday April 20, 1500

The situation regarding the volcanic eruption in Iceland remains dynamic and the latest information from the Met Office shows that the situation will continue to be variable.

Based on the latest Met Office information, part of Scottish and Northern Irish airspace including Aberdeen, Inverness and Edinburgh airports will continue to be available from 1900 today to 0100 tomorrow, Wednesday 21 April, and also south to Newcastle Airport. Glasgow and Teesside airports will additionally become available in this time period. Restrictions will remain in place over the rest of UK airspace below 20,000ft.

Flights above the ash cloud are now permitted in the UK; between 1900 today and 0100 tomorrow, this will enable aircraft movements above 20,000ft in UK airspace.

We will continue to monitor Met Office information and the situation is likely to change during the course of the day. We will make a further statement at approximately 2100 today.

NATS is maintaining close dialogue with the Met Office and with the UK's safety regulator, the CAA, in respect of the international civil aviation policy we follow in applying restrictions to use of airspace.

We are working closely with Government, airports and airlines, and airframe and aero engine manufacturers to get a better understanding of the effects of the ash cloud and to seek solutions.

[kasperb]

Why does this topic have the title regarding only the UK?
Come on... Whole western Europa can't fly

[MattGarner]

kasperb, on Apr 20 2010, 02:57 PM, said:

Why does this topic have the title regarding only the UK?
Come on... Whole western Europa can't fly

Because when this all started it affected UK airspace only.

[jetblast787]

http://news.bbc.co.u...ech/8629609.stm

[suddste]

iranair787, on Apr 20 2010, 09:50 AM, said:

http://news.bbc.co.u...ech/8629609.stm

I love that programme!

[Swarley]

KLM11M

    * Callsign: KLM11M
    * Flightnr: KL11
    * Reg: PH-BXK
    * Hex: 484163
    * Model: Boeing 737-8K2 (B738)
    * Airline: KLM
    * Lat: 51.11119
    * Lon: 4.12292
    * Altitude: 31375 feet (9563 m)
    * Ground speed: 456 knots
      (845 km/h / 525 mph)
    * Track: 202°
    * Radar: EHAM
    * From : Amsterdam, Schiphol (AMS)
    * To: Chicago, O'hare (ORD)


wth 737 to chicago ;o? must be some error

[jetblast787]

Swarley, on Apr 20 2010, 04:26 PM, said:

KLM11M

    * Callsign: KLM11M
    * Flightnr: KL11
    * Reg: PH-BXK
    * Hex: 484163
    * Model: Boeing 737-8K2 (B738)
    * Airline: KLM
    * Lat: 51.11119
    * Lon: 4.12292
    * Altitude: 31375 feet (9563 m)
    * Ground speed: 456 knots
      (845 km/h / 525 mph)
    * Track: 202°
    * Radar: EHAM
    * From : Amsterdam, Schiphol (AMS)
    * To: Chicago, O'hare (ORD)


wth 737 to chicago ;o? must be some error

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